Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:35 pm

Hello!
I am Margot, from France.
I just found out about NOS and I am looking forward to giving it a try.
For now, I am going to make a couple of modifications:

1. a 5 days fast every month (for health reasons)
2. before every meal, I am going to eat an apple (it's a diet idea I want to check on, apparently the apples make you lose weight faster)

Tomorrow morning I will go on the scale, for reference.

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Post by margot17 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:31 am

DAY 1
139.1 kg

B= 1 bowl of milk with special k cereals and 1 tbsp of raspberry jam ( I will have to change breakfast starting tomorrow and keep this for S-days)
L= 1 apple, 1 bowl of carrot soup, 2 slices of toasted bread with cheese, half a glass of kefir
D= 1 apple, 1 plate of couscous with bell peppers and chickpeas, frittata with zucchine and romana salad

SUCCESS!
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Post by margot17 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:21 am

DAY 2
137.5 kg

B= 1 apple, 1 bowl of porridge (with salt, butter and soy sauce, no milk no sugar), half a glass of milk
L= 1 apple, tuna salad and toasted slice of bread with cheese, banana
D= 1 apple, 3 wasa with butter prosciutto and brie, spinach soup

evening snack= 3 wasa with butter prosciutto and saucisse lyonnais
FAILURE

I made it a red day but it's true that I was so hungry in the evening I felt physically bad. It wasn't a craving problem. This is a feeling foreign to me, I can usually fast for several days without a problem, I am never hungry. I don't know if it may be the apples? Either that or I am eating way too little at meals, for my present physical needs. And yet, I feel I am eating way more than usual... I am curious now to continue in the weekend to eat the apples before meals and see how the hunger goes. Very interesting situation for me.
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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:51 am

DAY 3
138.4 kg

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:14 pm

Welcome to the check-in thread! We are happy to have you! And we think Reinhard (our founder!) is upgrading the bulletin board this weekend. So you are starting at an exciting time!
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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:20 pm

Thank you! very glad and excited to be here. I so resonate with this diet.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:38 pm

DAY 4
138.7 kg

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:46 pm

Happy Sunday Margot! Over here in the U.S. we watch the SuperBowl today -- big American Football game. :-)
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:15 pm

Oh wow! big thing! who do you keep for?
And thank you, here sunday is almost at the end, it's been very pleasant, this first S-weekend, and I enjoyed very much the possibility to give myself all things I craved for, guilt-free. I can't remember last time I did such a thing without some regret lurking in the background...
  • 1/2l Coca Cola
  • a bowl of my favorite cereals and milk with some raspberry jam
  • nachos guacamole and hot tomato sauce (it was for lunch so not really a forbidden thing, just slightly naughty)
  • crêpes and very very thick hot chocolate to drink this morning for breakfast
  • a wasa with butter and jam that I've just eaten, after dinner

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:25 pm

I remember when I first started enjoying my S Days (guilt-free, as you say). It was so great!! And I found that I truly ENJOYED my treats. Sure, I went overboard from time to time (still do, actually) but it's all part of the process of learning to moderate and find what really matters to us, and what really motivates us.

I'm not really pulling for either team (Rams and Patriots). I'm intrigued, though, because it could be a really great game, or either team could blow out the other. I really don't know what to expect!
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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:43 am

DAY 5]
138.5 kg[/b]
My scale is of a good german brand (Soehnle) but I am so close to its limit of 150 kg that its readings are quite random. This morning I weighed 4 times and I had 4 different readings. I picked the lowest :lol: I am weighing every day just because this gives me more readings and a better probability to actually see in which area I am ranging. That, and I want to check closely how my body reacts to this diet, this first month.

B= 1 apple, 1 bowl of porridge with butter and soy sauce
L= 1 apple, 2 cheese over toast, tomato salad with chickpeas, half a glass of kefir
D= 1 apple, homemade chicken nuggets, steamed spring potatoes with cream and mustard, mixed salad, fresh pressed orange juice
SUCCESS!
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Post by automatedeating » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:14 pm

I think weighing every day is actually a nice habit to develop, as long as we can detach from the emotions of it and just use the data to consider how foods affect us over time. Or, in the case of some S Days, how we can gain a couple pounds in one day and be certain that we couldn't have put on 2 pounds of fat that quickly, so water retention is usually all that's happening.

Oh, and BTW, I love me some Pink Lady Apple Slices :mrgreen:
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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:50 pm

Today I downloaded this app called Libra to record the weight, it smooths things down wonderfully, it's my new best friend.

Do you think I'll come to hate those apples? probably!
I love Pink Ladies! a lot of chewing involved with those... I am using Golden Delicious or Gala because find them small.
Meanwhile I ordered the book of this nutritionist from this place called Wacatchee or something, who swears on those apples miracle.

The idea of integrating NOs diet with Shangri-La is getting real. Today I read the reviews of the book on Amazon and I was so impressed by how many lost weight just by taking the oil. I wanna try too. At first I thought the two methods couldn't go together but why not. I would like to be able to lose a little faster and be at a decent weight before I hit 90 :lol:

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:54 am

Do you think the place you're thinking of could be Wenatchee, WA? Sounds kind of like it, and they love their apples there!
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Post by Dalia negra » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:21 am

Hello Margot, happy to say hello.

I wanted to ask you, what is the diet of apples? I would like to know a little more about this ...

Thank you!!!!!


By the way, I know the Shangri La diet and I tried it for a while with a clip on my nose. It works wonderfully well !!!

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:55 am

AE of course you are correct, and I am sorry to all Wenatcheerians for distorting their name, which is just a delight for my foreign ears.
DN here's the link to the book https://www.amazon.com/3-Apple-Day-Plan ... pple+a+day. I have no idea if it works or not, but I love apples (for now) and if it enhances performance I can do with all help that I can get.
The author is a nutritionist who, for what I understood, works in association to a gym, and they organize some kind of yearly competition, where people do what they're told for something like 12 weeks, there's a nutritional plan and a work-out, they have to make very diligent measurements that allow them to reliably tell how much fat has been lost and how much muscle mass has been acquired. One year she added the 3 apples a day and results were averagely 50% better, without anything else being changed. And so she went on with the apples, and results kept being much better than without apples. The book is arriving (I bought a second-hand copy) so I haven't read it yet, these pieces of info may not be too accurate.

Re: Shangry-La I am all ears. Did you do the oil or the sweet water? are you still doing it? if not, why?
I am seriously thinking I could integrate it as a mod, but I am having big trouble finding the right oil, flaxseed would be the ideal one for health but I can't find it refined. ELOO (extra-light olive oil) doesn't exist in these parts, but it may just be me being lost in translation. Is that what in italian is called Delicato? because that's not taste-less. Also I was raised with olive oil and it's ultra-familiar, maybe I should just go another direction.

DAY 6
138.3 Kg

B= 1 apple, 1 bowl of porridge with butter and soy sauce
L= 1 apple, 1 bowl of carrot soup, omelette with shallots and bleu d'auvergne, 2 tbsp of chickpeas
D= 1 apple, 2 1/2 slices of italian style pizza (that is, small)
SUCCESS!
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Post by Dalia negra » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:31 am

How interesting the book! I'm going to immerse myself completely in the link and in the comments :)

About Shangri la, what I did is eat a lot of foods with a nose clip. It is assumed that not smelling the food we eat is as if we did not taste them, and this causes the set point to go down. The first time I made breakfast and lunch with clothespin and dinner no. The weight went down quickly, but it was very uncomfortable. The second time I tried only with the pincer on my nose during breakfast, and I lost weight, but more slowly. The feeling of satiety was very intense the first time, I had even nausea during the day and disgust of food.
I've never tried oil and sugar, really. Sorry.

PS: I'm trying to find a forum on the shangri diet in which a woman was very successful with the nose clip, in fact, she was the one who put it into practice first. As soon as I find it, I'll leave it here :wink:

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:32 pm

Thank you!
Well what you did was very clever I say, pity it is so unpleasant!

The (sparse) reviews of the 3 apples book mostly focus on how well-thought the plan is, more than on the apples trick.

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:38 pm

Thinking through this SLD, even though it is a clever idea to pinch my nose as I'm having a meal, I think I'd like to try the oil, taken 1h after breakfast and 1h after dinner. I did some searching today and I found an online bio shop that sold flavor-less bio coconut oil at an affordable price, plus the others I saw mentioned because of their content in omega-3, flexseed, walnut and camelina, which are more expensive and even probably too loaded of omega-3 for my body's needs (given that I would have to take 4 tbsp a day). So I am thinking of mixing things up, I could take every day 3 tbsp of coconut oil and 1 tbsp of one of the others.

I feel this SLD could assist my NOS diet very well and make it easier for me to lose weight at a faster pace, given that I have a lot to lose.

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:45 pm

I am laughing about the nose clip. :-) I might just need to wear one in the car while bringing my 13 year old home from basketball. He insists on removing his shoes and the smell is AWFUL.

I do not eat a whole apple at one meal, but I occasionally have a couple slices, especially at the end of the meal (rather than before) because it tastes like a dessert to me.

I think having some sort of oil between meals is a really good idea! It fits with NoS rules (drinking allowed, just not eating), and it would definitely increase your fat-burning ability (especially something like coconut oil or butter melted into coffee). I've never done it, but it could also be a nice transition for you as you remove snacks and adapt to NoS.
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:48 pm

Thank you for the encouragement. Yes oils are hot at the moment, everyone loves some oil! (unless it's evil sunflower or alike). I am still puzzled with this SLD idea, because I can't fathom the reason why eating flavor-less calories should lower my setpoint. It's a good thing, anomalies are what break old paradigms. But my head is kind of going there again and again like a robot vacuum cleaner to a wall because it can't possibly rest until it makes more sense. Sure if I ended up solving this huge puzzle that my rapid and colossal weight-gain has been by going for grandma diet combined with flavor-less oil, well it would just be... surreal? hilarious? just perfect? I am in celebratory mood, as you can see.

The nose clip :lol: DN how on earth did you manage to chew while pinching your nose? earlier I had a couple of tbsp of normal coconut oil I had in the pantry, but then I could only breath with my mouth open, and while chewing it's kind of a mess. I wasn't smart enough to have thought of putting it on the radiator so it would liquify.

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Post by Dalia negra » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:06 am

automatedeating wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:45 pm
I am laughing about the nose clip. :-) I might just need to wear one in the car while bringing my 13 year old home from basketball. He insists on removing his shoes and the smell is AWFUL.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


margot17 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:48 pm


The nose clip :lol: DN how on earth did you manage to chew while pinching your nose?


You already have the answer to why I left it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:24 am

DAY 7
138.9 kg


B= 1/2 bowl of porridge with butter and soy sauce, 1/2 glass of kefir
L= mixed salad, 1 wasa with butter and bleu d'auvergne, 1 wasa with sardines in olive oil
D= 1 apple, parmentier, tomato salad, 1/2 glass of kefir
SUCCESS!


I am cooling off on the SLD. Not sure why, this morning it feels less appealing. Like, it's kind of silly to have to gulp down all these oils in order to trick the body to do something it doesn't wanna do. The moment I begin to think that my body is stupid and I need to con it, I've lost a piece of my soul. That's not the way I wanna go, even if it's understandable in my situation that I may desire to push the process.
So vanilla NOS all the way, plus the monthly 5 days fast which is based on the ideas of dr Valter Longo and is to support my body's health during these trying conditions, it is not to lose weight.
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Post by Dalia negra » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:47 am

Courage Margot. We all feel this way at any time in our lives when we have to continually deal with our excess weight. The Shangri diet is one of the rarest I have ever seen, so it is normal to ask yourself if all this makes sense ...


If it's any consolation, I'm starting to think about putting my nose clip back on some food. I am an experimenting person and I am also desperate for my weight, so why not? And I'll be even more ridiculous than you with the oils, think about it :wink:

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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:52 am

I actually think your idea is smart, because at least you won't gulp down 500 cal in order to lose appetite.

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:24 am
DAY 7
138.9 kg[/b


I am cooling off on the SLD. Not sure why, this morning it feels less appealing. Like, it's kind of silly to have to gulp down all these oils in order to trick the body to do something it doesn't wanna do. The moment I begin to think that my body is stupid and I need to con it, I've lost a piece of my soul. That's not the way I wanna go, even if it's understandable in my situation that I may desire to push the process.


THIS ! I am so sick of the tricks. Even pounding water to make your stomach feel full is one of those tricks. I knew I had to get away from IF when so many people rhapsodized about how great they felt while fasting....your body boosting energy to prevent starving is really another trick. I will give Vanilla No S 6 months and see what happens.

Really enjoying your journal, Margot!
No S start date 1/11/19

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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:33 am

Thank you SAIII.
For what it counts I agree with you on IF, while I am considering a monthly 5 days fast, for health purposes, following the research of Valter Longo, Phd. That is a timeframe that allows some of the beneficial effects of fasting to establish, without metabolism being compromised. I did it last month and following that I felt so much better (various aches disappeared too). I am supposed to go for it again next week.

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Margot, if you ARE hungry between meals in these early weeks, it's totally OK to have a glass of milk, or tea, or coffee to get you through. Just want to put that out there in case it comes up.

I've also toyed with the idea of fasting for health purposes (joints being my biggest thing). But I am sort of on a roll right now, and what I'm doing right now is still so much better than previous years, so I'm hesitant to rock my habit boat, you know? Anyway, I'm all ears about your fasting experience.

You might enjoy Peter Attia's The Drive Podcast -- he was talking all about Valter's research the other day. His podcasts are very technical, but they fill up some sort of intellectual hungry spot inside of me. Love them.
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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:20 pm

Indeed I am still trying to find my sweet spot...
I'll look Peter Attia up, thank you for the recommendation.
For people like you who are in good general health Longo just suggests to have 1-2 fasts a year, nothing more. I go for once a month only because I think I have to.

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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:01 pm

"if you ARE hungry between meals in these early weeks, it's totally OK to have a glass of milk, or tea, or coffee to get you through. Just want to put that out there in case it comes up."

This advice wasn't meant for me, But I've been taking an extra tea at night to curb late snacking because of mental hunger and it's really helping but I felt like maybe I shouldn't so it's nice to be reminded it's okay :D

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:37 am

Thursday week 2
138.0


So it's one week! To sum it up:
(I'll use OCHL like in candles or bars in financial charting, that is open close high low)

WEEK 1
O= 139.1C= 138.0
H= 139.1
L= 137.5
Avg= 138.425

1 red day , 4 green, 2 yellow


B= 1 apple, omelette with pink ham and brie, 2 spoons of leftover parmentier
L= 1 apple, sauteed zucchine and onions, 1 wasa with sardines, 1/2 glass kefir
D= 1 apple, ratatouille, couscous with tomato sauce olives and chickpeas, pressed oranges (2)
Water= 10 units



Yesterday was at the same time an easy and difficult day.
The difficult part was that once I realized that I was not going to go the SLD route I also realized that it is likely to take a really long time for me to get back in shape. I am not hanging on losing the weight to get happy, as I am rather happy already and I find my life interesting and rich (it helps that I am mostly a contemplative type). It still sucks... Well, at least I found NOS. And I appreciate greatly the people in this forum, so nice and intelligent, I am so impressed.
The easy part is that for once I hit the sweet spot of eating just right, maybe a tad too little but nothing too uncomfortable and this morning my weight was DOWN!

I decided to track also the amount of water I drink, I want to drink 2l every day but I can get forgetful. I have a favorite glass I mostly use, which contains exactly 200 cl, on the table our glasses are bigger but I'll count them as if they were a unit anyway. So green is 10 units. When I didn't drink 10 units the day before, green is 10+ the units I forgot the previous day.
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margot17 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:37 am

(I'll use OCHL like in candles or bars in financial charting, that is open close high low)

The difficult part was that once I realized that I was not going to go the SLD route I also realized that it is likely to take a really long time for me to get back in shape.

I decided to track also the amount of water I drink, I want to drink 2l every day but I can get forgetful. I have a favorite glass I mostly use, which contains exactly 200 cl, on the table our glasses are bigger but I'll count them as if they were a unit anyway. So green is 10 units. When I didn't drink 10 units the day before, green is 10+ the units I forgot the previous day.
The OCHL - This is so funny! I guess you do enjoy finances, even if you didn't want to chat with hubby about them over breakfast. :lol:

I think Jen's signature is something about how the time will pass anyway, so we shouldn't let a longer time-frame put us off our goals. Plus, once you get to that "perfect" weight, you'll have to keep on this same lifestyle you are habituating to now, so it's really all the same process. Not sure if that is motivating or not, but glad you are here.

And water -- I drink a lot of water too, but I guess I don't track it on my thread. I just have 2 big glasses before work, 2 big glasses at work, and 2 big glasses when I get home. It works out to 96 ounces, or almost 3 L. Most people don't have to drink this much, but I have a little issue with my kidney that requires it. :roll:
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Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Yeah sure it's not being on this diet for long that's the problem, which is quite amazing in itself, as it's the first time I see a diet being something I can call a lifestyle. It's more about a few things I liked doing that I now can't because I'm so fat. Also, this problem began to happen when I was 40 (starting at BMI 18), and I feel I haven't been completely me for these 15 years, so I am kind of in a hurry to get back to it, if you get what I mean. I love my life as it is, but there is no doubt that I miss some sides of myself that I now can't express.
But well, this experience has enriched me enormously, so it's all good.

About the glasses I was just thinking of something similar to what you do, 3 glasses before each meal and 1 before bed. I may need to track this only for a while, we'll see.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by manfa » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:13 pm

I have never been someone who’s great at keeping hydrated. However, I have noticed that since I started No S, my fluid intake has increased. I think it’s because I’m reaching for drinks to keep me going in between meals. I have slowly added drinks into my daily routine, for example, I now always have fruit tea at work and I always have a cup as soon as I arrive, one mid morning and one after lunch. I now also have a coffee mid afternoon after picking my son up from school. Routine definitely helps keep me on track.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:15 am

I love fruit teas! I haven't had one in a while so thanks for mentioning it. I'll have a simple chamomille with some pieces of ginger added this morning, which is an all time favorite and also all I have in the pantry.

Tonight I didn't sleep well because I was starving again, which is also reflected by the weight drop so I wasn't mistaken. For dinner I thought I had filled my plate a little to much, although mosly of vegetables, and in the end I left something on the plate because I thought I was satisfied. Half an hour later I was starving already! Before bedtime I took some kefir (liquid, AE approved) and it helped somewhat. I feel I have never eaten so much in my life so I don't know what to think, but I am glad.


Friday week 2
136.7

B= 1 apple, 2 slices toasted bread with cheese
L= 1 apple, lenticchie in umido, tomato salad, pressed oranges (2)
D= I don't remember



Yesterday I began to do some research on what workout I could possibly do starting next month. Walking would be great also because I live just in the very center of a city and my house faces directly the river, so I could walk along the river or just window shop. My problem is that I live on the third floor without elevator (I know,in US it would never happen...) and as it is an ancient building the ceilings are all on the high side, 4 m or more, so the 3 floors count as 4 minimum. Now that would only be good news if I was a more normal weight, but for me to go up that staircase is quite a hike, and a strain for my knees. I plan to do that every day as soon as I can, and I see that already my drop of 10 kg since this summer is making a world of difference in how it feels. So let's say, when I reach 115 kg I could expect to easily go out to walk along the river every day. For now I am only making a weekly walk, we go in nature out of town and it's really nice, and for the rest of the week I take frequent massages, and keep active with things to do, cooking etc. Although ehm... there is no denying that the couch and I are quite intimate. But at this weight it is sort of unavoidable.
Anyway all of this to say that I don't want to wait so long before I do some daily exercise and track it, and therefore I am looking into things I can do right away with the restraints I am having, to then update as things evolve. I have time to form a well-thought plan so next month I know what to do. I welcome any ideas and suggestions.
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by automatedeating » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:50 pm

I think doing some regular indoor movements, stretches, etc. would be a good starting exercise.

And, as you said, once your knees feel a bit better nothing really beats walking for easy, available, cheap, and gentle.
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:45 am

Saturday Week 2
136.5
1 lb away from the 200's!

Thank you AE. Yeah stretches or some yoga are a good idea. I would like to add some moderate low impact stuff, but I don't know how I'll react to following videos, I've never done it before. When I was thin I mostly did yoga and running, but actually now that I think of it, one period in which I felt really good I was doing a lot of energetical work like chi kung, and that could possibly be doable already now. As an additional limitation, I have had for a while a problem with a shoulder, I am working on it, and it's way better now, but I can't move the right arm as freely as the left one and the chiropractor told me not to force it.
As I browsed youtube hunting for ideas I came upon the WorkOut by Jane Fonda! so cute! I have no memories around it because in the 80's I was an artistic type, listened to the Joy Division and the Smiths, bought Comme des Garçons (only sometimes and in sale, it was expensive) and Doc Martens boots and dressed invariably in black or grey. Very far from fuxia leg warmers. Yet I feel tender about them. I did go for a couple of years to a course of modern dance that was way above my skills, held by a former dancer of the New York City Ballet who moved like a god but had injured his knee. For the rest I just rested on pretty. I got more active later on, in the 90's.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by Soprano » Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:39 pm

I remember doing Jane Fonda first work out!!

I prefer power walking and yoga these days :)

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by automatedeating » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:31 pm

Margot - I bought 3 pairs of leg warmers and use them as part of my "after work" outfit that encourages me to move more. I feel totally cool when I wear them . :lol:

I am doing a "mobility" program and every day part of it requires shoulder swings (which have actually helped my stiff shoulders immensely - who would have thought that gentle movements could be so effective if done everyday?) Obviously not pushing it to pain - that shoulder issue you have does not sound fun. I do wrist stretches on all 4's on the ground, hip circles, and some "squat walks", where I sit on my butt and scoot my butt toward my feet and eventually get all the way up into the squat position.

Honestly, rolling around on the ground is the best. :-) I guess I'm suggesting .... just moving. I'm feeling a bit in love with my new workouts, because I've seen how it is making me move more all day long, just because it feels good.

You are on a roll. Isn't it great how getting a few habits in place (NoS) spills over into other areas of our life?
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:23 pm

Soprano wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:39 pm
I remember doing Jane Fonda first work out!!

I prefer power walking and yoga these days :)

Jx
Oh you smart one!
I am so impressed by how beautiful JF was, like body-goals really. And she moved wonderfully.
Another workout from of the 80's that is really cool is Callanetics (from Callan Pinckney). That one, I didn't even know it existed at the time. I have a great feeling about it, I don't know it looks like a super-clever way to exercise, but the material available is not much, besides it may be way beyond me at the moment.
Don't know why this 80's thing came up? maybe I just want to give myself the legwarmers, at last. And I certainly like the look of those videos, I have a bug for vintage stuff.I must say, and here probably my son would roll eyes and say I am so dated it's not even funny, I like better bodies like the one of JF and CP, slender tall and toned but not overly muscular, rather than the ones with six packs and no waist line of today's workout teachers. Not that at this point I can aspire to any of that, but it's comforting to look at a teacher and see what is ideal for you.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:42 pm

automatedeating wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:31 pm
Margot - I bought 3 pairs of leg warmers and use them as part of my "after work" outfit that encourages me to move more. I feel totally cool when I wear them . :lol:
Full of envy
automatedeating wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:31 pm
I am doing a "mobility" program and every day part of it requires shoulder swings (which have actually helped my stiff shoulders immensely - who would have thought that gentle movements could be so effective if done everyday?) Obviously not pushing it to pain - that shoulder issue you have does not sound fun. I do wrist stretches on all 4's on the ground, hip circles, and some "squat walks", where I sit on my butt and scoot my butt toward my feet and eventually get all the way up into the squat position.
That sounds fun. So your experience with following a video is positive, yes?
automatedeating wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:31 pm
Honestly, rolling around on the ground is the best. :-) I guess I'm suggesting .... just moving. I'm feeling a bit in love with my new workouts, because I've seen how it is making me move more all day long, just because it feels good.

You are on a roll. Isn't it great how getting a few habits in place (NoS) spills over into other areas of our life?
Rolling around on the ground :lol:
Yeah you move differently throughout the rest of the day. I remember that feeling, although it's kind of... a foggy memory :lol:

I am most definitely on a roll. And also very encouraged by how Nos is going. Most of all, it feels amazing to have found the right pathway. I am losing weight and it feels easy. First time I feel this optimistic about my body's future since... well I can't even remember.
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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:53 pm

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I am most definitely on a roll. And also very encouraged by how Nos is going. Most of all, it feels amazing to have found the right pathway. I am losing weight and it feels easy. First time I feel this optimistic about my body's future in a long time.
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This is how I feel too! I don't see myself gaining weight on NoS(In fact have lost 0.4 in 9 days) so I feel the logical conclusion is my body will end up where it wants to with regular and normalized eating, I don't have to be a dictator to that either just an observer. We got this Margot :D

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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:56 pm

Yey us! we sure do...

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:51 am

Sunday Week 2
137.0

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by Octavia » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:11 pm

Bonjour Margot, just popping by to say hi, and sounds like you’ve made a brilliant start on No S! Really fascinated by the apple diet - I’m a big fan of apples...am going to look into it!

Ahh, Callanetics! I used to do that. Loved Callan and her ‘turn your pear into a peach’ advice. It was so sweet how she was slightly awkward in front of the camera. I know professional dancers who still swear by that routine. It was a good one! But oh, so time consuming.

Hope you have a good week.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:26 am

Hello Octavia, nice to see you around! I am liking the apples thing, but I have no idea if they make things better or not, because I began the nos diet at the same time (not smart of me come to think). If you give it a try, I would be very glad if you could tell me what you make of it.
I have given a quick read to the book, the author doesn't say anything in particular about the apples, it's all about the usual sensible stuff that no-one follows, plus articulated workout plans. Something impressive she says (meaning, the numbers are impressive) is that, as you begin to lose muscle mass at 25, and there's a number I now forgot of how many calories are consumed by such body mass and a number of how fast you lose the mass each year, the final calculation is that by age of 50, if you haven't done any weight training to develop your muscles mass (me) your body at rest burns 1000 calories less. :shock:
There are quite amazing pics of people who did the 12 weeks challenge and completely transformed their body, some of those before/after are quite unbelievable... I'm going to upload a few here later on.

So you did Callanetics? is it time-consuming? not good news... I bought a second-hand book, just to check it out, although I don't think I can do any of these exercises for now. I just love that lady, I don't know why, maybe it's that I think that her exercises look really smart, as they work on the deep muscles. And in the video she's kind of 50, and her legs look great! it may not mean much, my granny had great legs at 70 and she never moved a finger.

Monday Week 2
138.9
the weight of this morning was a total shock, I didn't think I had gone so over the top yesterday? anyway, I trust the process, and I believe that the S-days, besides having a behavioral function, also prevent the metabolism from just going down to the cellar. I still hope it won't be this shocking ever again! But this also reminds me that I want to look into how to raise the metabolism, as the numbers provided recently by BrightAngel (who now in her 70's needs to eat 1000 cal/day) were rather alarming. I'd never manage to do that, not permanently...
My Libra app didn't get too perturbed by the bad news and still gave me the projection that I will reach my goal weight (53 kg) by gen 2021, like yesterday. This app is definitely cool. Really.


Diet= success
Water= success
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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:11 pm

Don't worry about your weight, It happens and as long as it's not sticking around for weeks it's not real fat. I actaully tend to gain about a pound or two before I lose weight, It's really odd but predictable.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:38 pm

Thank you Elle :)

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:54 am

Tuesday Week 2
137.8 Kg

DIET= GREEN
WATER= GREEN

Putting the day in green as a default, if it becomes a red I'll change it. I am going in a direction of green Nos becoming my new normal. For the same reason I will not write down what I am eating any more. In any case I usually don't have problems of compliance, if I fall out of a diet it is because I have found a way to prove to myself that the diet is stupid. I am very cunning in that sense, I saw myself working in that direction also with Nos yesterday, but there's too much about Nos that's utterly convincing, namely that it's the way everybody eats in Italy and France (with the exception of breakfast, that is usually sweet, although rather small), and no-one is a saint these parts, italians are completely obsessed with food, French much less so but they are giving in to junk food in a powerful way now. And yet no fatties. Also I feel really good in my skin when I eat Nos.
Coincidentally, me too, I really began to gain weight when I stopped eating 3 meals a day, which was the way that I was raised. It wasn't the only factor, but I strongly believe that if I had yielded to that habit it would have been of great advantage for me.
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:46 am

Tuesday Week 2
137.2


Tomorow I will begin my monthly 5-days fast, last time during the fast I lost weight, then it came back plus some, then it went back down to the pre-fast weight. Let's see what happens with Nos. I'll fast until tuesday morning, so I'll have almost a full Nos week after the fast. I am not doing it to lose weight but for autofagy, organ regeneration, detoxification, etc. I am following the ideas of Valter Longo with this.
My husband made a little experiment with his kefir some time ago, we both have our personal kefir vases which is probably weird, but he's norwegian and they do that kind of stuff. So he put it in water with no sugar, nothing, just plain water, for a few days, basically he put it on a water fast. And every now and then he would do this water thing, even just for one day. I didn't follow closely so I don't really know the timings and how many times he did that, but he ended up with humoungous (never seen them so big, he's eligible for Findhorn) kefir grains, and his kefir tasted absoultely fantastic. This is to say that a, if it works for the kefir maybe it can work for me, although that may be a strange thing to say, and b, my kefir is going to fast with me! I've got a fasting buddy.

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:02 pm

Margot - good luck with the fasting thing! I envision myself doing this at some point (for health purposes, as you said). Autophagy has become a household word. :-) I will be very interested in your updates!! I got through a 4 day fast about 10 years ago. It was not easy to be doing that while still cooking for the fam. If I do it again, that has got to change.

I'm sure you already know this but be sure to get enough electrolytes (broth or salt water).

I have been listening to Peter Attia The Drive, and his entire focus is on longevity (which means he discusses nutrition, of course, but also supplements, fasting, exercise, meditation, etc). I've been fascinated by many of the podcasts and learning lots and lots of new stuff about metabolism. He has multiple episodes on fasting and frequently mentions VL.
we both have our personal kefir vases which is probably weird, but he's norwegian and they do that kind of stuff.
I'm thinking there is something about fermented foods that makes someone become a little weird. I can totally relate. If I see someone even moving my yogurt tubs around to different spots in the fridge I get kind of territorial!
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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Luckily my husband is going to cook for the whole period, if not it would be absolutely impossible for me. And so there's the bonus of not moving a finger for 5 days, which feels amazing, last month after the fast it was an effort to get back to the kitchen. I mean I like cooking, but I like doing nothing best of all.

I'll check out Attia's podcast during my me-fast-time. I checked it out already but then I lost myself in something else and forgot it. I really want to find something about metabolism, above all else.

I do have the electrolytes. I have grey salt (sel de guérande), magnesium and potassium to have throughout. Also last time I refed with wheatgrass juice (loaded of potassium and zinc) and berries (which were actually what felt the best, I don't know what they have in them besides the vit C, but it worked)

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:52 am

Thursday Week 3
137,0 Kg
fasting day

This is the beginning of week 3, whose data will be distorted by the fast, I still keep on with it, and let's see if it ends up looking like a nice candle chart. I'll copy the previous week too so I have it all in one place.

Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5, Avg138.43
Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5, Avg137.39
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Post by automatedeating » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:00 pm

nice data collection!
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Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:52 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: it's just 2 weeks!!!

(if I ever stop putting out numbers you'll know that I am cheating - I think it's a common way to hide, isn't it?)

Also, I am really really hungry... :shock:
and there may be a chance that one of these days that I am fasting I may have to take a bold decision that I don't wanna take about some stocks that aren't behaving, and of course it would happen just when I am feeling all dazed and confused... whoever said that fasting gives clarity? or energy? they must have not known me!
A part from that I am fine and will get to the end of it, it's nothing more than an extended weekend after all, almost 20% is done and thank goodness the european markets are closed for the day. Phew...

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by sharon227 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:48 am

I know you didn't ask for my opinion, so sorry for butting in on this, but I'm really not a fan of all-water fasting for more than a day. Doing liquids-only to give your digestive system is one thing. But it seems that purposely depriving your body of all nutrients for so long may end up stressing your system. I know that serious medical opinions differ on that, and I'm certainly not a scientist or doctor, but it seems the opposite of moderation that's the driving force behind NoS. You also risk slowing your metabolism because your body thinks it has to conserve energy, which could account for losing weight during the fast but then the weight rebounding after.

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:40 am

You have a point Sharon, and I may and may not continue doing my monthly fasts in the future, depending on how my body reacts. Taking also in consideration that sometimes bodies feel good and energetic just because they believe to be in a fly or fight situation, which isn't inherently a good thing, not at all. Last month I felt way way better because of the 5-days fast, a lot of aches and pains went away and the benefits kept for the following weeks. But I wasn't doing Nos diet to start with last month, and I see how coming from the Nos diet affects things even during the fast, so I am really curious to see how things evolve. Maybe Nos diet is all I need? maybe the synergy between the two would take care of my body more efficiently, at least as long as I am in the obese range? I can only judge by facts, body signals aren't always easy to interpret but I am open.

I was just mentioning in Auto's thread a guy called James Sloane (he went by the handle of Hveragerthi in a site called Curezone) who has interesting theories about how the body works, he is against fasting because he thinks it causes stress on the adrenals, and in his opinion stress aka some level of adrenal fatigue is often the root cause of a lot of physical problems, so you don't wanna mess with that. Just like you said. Which could partly explain my case as well, because I went insomniac for 15 years and in the same time I gained a lot of weight, this summer I began to take the ashwaganda (a good 10 years after I read it suggested by him, for no good reason) and I began to sleep well again, and I am slowly but consistently losing weight, I was losing even before Nos just more slowly. So yes, it is to see if fasting is a good idea, because my adrenals are very important. Although there may be many more reasons why I appear to be losing weight these days, and I won't bore you with all that.

Today I feel fantastic, after a difficult first day, I am fat-adapted and therefore not hungry, which is a relief because yesterday I was the hungriest that I've ever been in my life, it was quite hard really. I can take one day of hardship if it's ultimately good for me, but sure my adrenals must have thought I had gone nuts.

Thank you for posting on your concerns! I appreciate your honesty.

ETA: Re: metabolism, charts indicate that metabolism typically goes up the first 3 days of a fast and then goes down again, at around day 5 it's approximately back to starting point. Because autophagy and other interesting processes, concerning insulin for example, or the liver, take place only in fully fat-adapted state, extended fasts of more than a couple of days are usually recommended, to get the full medical benefit of it. So basically the interval of 5 days is kind of smart because one gets some of the benefits without compromising the metabolism. This is also what I've seen IRL, my metabolism last month didn't slow down, that I'm aware of. So I am not hugely concerned for that bit.


Thursday Week 3
135.8 kg

fasting day

I am feeling very good today, and rested. Yesterday was difficult, I've never ever been this hungry. Ever.
Do I have yet to say how hungry I was? I was so so hungry. Dreadful.
From a behavioral point of view I think this was excellent practice: if I could live through all that hunger and not budge, waiting for meals will feel like nothing comparingly.
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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by sharon227 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:46 pm

Everyone has to do what they think is right for them, but I hope to bring up points to consider. A lot of your aches and pains may have gone away because you eliminated certain specific types of food from your diet, not because you didn't eat any food for 5 days. I prefer a strategy such as eliminating things like carbs, gluten, and dairy from your diet for a week. Then add back one thing at a time for a few days to see how your body reacts. First add back only dairy. If you feel just as fine, add something else. If you don't feel fine after dairy, go back to eliminating carbs, gluten, and dairy for a week and then try adding back just healthy gluten-free carbs like fresh fruit. And so on.

As for metabolism, I would want to see how it is after the 5 day fast longer term, not just on days one to five. It's certainly possible the metabolism ramps back again on day 5 but in the longer term it goes down again compared with not fasting at all. The body is a very very complex system. Nobody understands how everything interrelates. Even cutting-edge nutrition researchers don't understand the many micronutrients that inter-react to cause one food to have health benefits, for example. Which is why I don't believe in supplements as a general rule compared with consuming the actual whole foods that have been shown to have health benefits.

Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now!

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:59 pm

Fasting going well, and my stocks went back up some! and we are now the first private people to be clients of a really awesome financial analyst, Phil Suttle - of course we've made all sorts of jokes about his name being really promising, anyway he's one of the best in the world! I feel elevated by association, also he costs a ton but that was to expect.

E and I went for a walk and initially I almost felt like Legolas, weightless! then coming back my right knee was back in the picture. The forest and river were amazing, birds chirping and this fantastic energy of just right before spring explodes.



Sharon it's the inverse, metabolism ramps up until day 3 and then goes down. But really this is a moot point, dr. Fung has treated thousands of very overweight patients with fasting, precisely because metabolism isn't an issue. He's put out a lot of info also on youtube, you can check it up. I do not do it to lose weight myself, but I have no worries in that sense.
Re: elimination diet, I've done my homework and my body doesn't react badly to any particular food other than carbs (it didn't use to, but it now does, although I am neither diabetic nor pre-diabetic), and I already pay great attention with them. And even if it did, I'd rather do Nos plus 5-days fast every month than go keto or vegan (been there with both), I do not like the idea of elimination diets and I have little compliance with that sort of things.
Btw food intolerance is one of those things that surely derive from adrenal fatigue, so I rather take care of the adrenals with my ashwaganda and not drinking tea or coffee, because a, it's the smart way to go and b, then I can make my quiche and eat it too. I do miss a little my cup of tea but it's a minor inconvenience, all considered.

During the walk in the park, E. was adamant about fasting being a way the body rests and not a stress. And he's got a point too. Also he has direct experience with it as last year he did a 12 days fast, partly dry, and even went to ski while on it. So guys I don't know, I just do my thing.

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Post by lpearlmom » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:33 pm

I do fasting too and also learned how fasting increases metabolism unlike low calorie diet. A lot of misconceptions about fasting but i can see that the increased hcg has helped with my muscle tone. Ive only lost about 20 lbs but im down to about 21% body fat. I also feel like its healing my metabolism after years and years of damage.
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Post by Octavia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 pm

Hi Margot,
Your walk sounds so lovely. We had beautiful, spring-like weather here today.

Have you tried Callanetics yet? I found that if I did the whole routine, it took me about an hour. It’s calming and therapeutic, though, if you can put aside that time. I’m convinced that the Callanetics I did in my late 20s had a permanent beneficial effect on my body. I stayed slightly more toned, especially around my core. And I can get the strength back quickly if I return to those fiendish little crunches. I should really get back to it...

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:22 am

Margot - so cool to hear you are fat-adapted and not hungry now. I am vicariously loving your journey.
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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:29 pm

lpearlmom wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:33 pm
I do fasting too and also learned how fasting increases metabolism unlike low calorie diet. A lot of misconceptions about fasting but i can see that the increased hcg has helped with my muscle tone. Ive only lost about 20 lbs but im down to about 21% body fat. I also feel like its healing my metabolism after years and years of damage.
Hi Linda, thanks for coming by! that your body composition has changed with fasting is so cool! and the metabolism too? it's a great testimonial, as I know you've been experimenting with fasting for quite some time. Super-motivating for me. Thanks!

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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:38 pm

Octavia wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:08 pm
Hi Margot,
Your walk sounds so lovely. We had beautiful, spring-like weather here today.

Have you tried Callanetics yet? I found that if I did the whole routine, it took me about an hour. It’s calming and therapeutic, though, if you can put aside that time. I’m convinced that the Callanetics I did in my late 20s had a permanent beneficial effect on my body. I stayed slightly more toned, especially around my core. And I can get the strength back quickly if I return to those fiendish little crunches. I should really get back to it...
That's fantastic, yes they do look so smart, these movements, I can't believe they're not more popular.
I have ordered the book and downloaded a video of quick callanetics, divided in an abs part and a leg part, of around 20 min each, and that could be a good way to go because for starters I don't want to take it too far. The book hasn't arrived yet (it was from UK so it may take a bit) but I watched the video. I think I may be able to do some of those exercises, the only problem yet to solve is I need to find something to lean on like the ballet bar that they use. I am planning to begin in march. I will also add some version of very low impact and low intensity cardio, I think. It's still all a bit nebulous.

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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:41 pm

automatedeating wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:22 am
Margot - so cool to hear you are fat-adapted and not hungry now. I am vicariously loving your journey.
Thank you Auto, you're super-nice

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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:46 pm

Saturday Week 3
134.2

fasting day

All good and easy peasy. I am very sensitive to smells! yesterday evening I smelled an orange being peeled and it was awesome.
Although I know none of this is real, and it will bounce back, I am now technically well in the 200's (lb)! and the Libra app, not knowing what's going on, is freaking out and giving me totally unrealistic projections, ha ha! I love my Libra...

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Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:34 am

Sunday Week 3
133.5

fasting day

All going well, the last 2 nights I have slept poorly but I'm fine.

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 pm

I am very sensitive to smells! yesterday evening I smelled an orange being peeled and it was awesome.
Even reading about this makes me smell an orange. :lol:
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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:19 am

Monday Week 3
132.2

last fasting day

Getting bored of it now, 5 days is a good timeframe for me, more would be stretching my will power too far. Yesterday I indulged in thinking of what I want to eat tomorrow, that's a sign. And hunger comes up in waves and when it does, I really don't like it, I think that if it didn't I could go on fasting for longer. I also don't like that I have felt so antsy and hyper.
But this morning I feel good, not hungry, and more relaxed mentally. I hope for a pleasant last day.
Ah and yesterday I almost did a dry fast. I only took a total of 40 cl of water, for the idrolytes and the aswaghandha.
Libra is telling me I am going to be my ideal weight by november this year, which is of course a misunderstanding I dig.

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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:57 am

automatedeating wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 pm
I am very sensitive to smells! yesterday evening I smelled an orange being peeled and it was awesome.
Even reading about this makes me smell an orange. :lol:
There's nothing smeelling as good as oranges! or maybe cookies just out of the oven? flowers? cats? babies?

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Post by eschano » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 pm

Just wanted to say hello! Love the apple idea. I often have an apple as “desert” but about twice a week so I would be happy to give it a go for one meal a day. Do you think once will work?
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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 pm

Hello eschano! happy to meet you!
About the apples, I have no idea! I was stupid enough to begin Nos at the same time as the apples and so now I don't know if the apples add something or not. But if you like apples, it's worth a try with one, if it's the number you're comfortable with.

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:37 am

Tuesday Week 3
131.00
Diet= good
Water= 2.4 l

Relieved to be done with the fast. I lost a lot of weight! a total of 6 kg. But I will gain it all back, I know and it's not a problem. I'll lose them again, hopefully! Now heading for breakfast, namnam!

ETA: Giving myself a yellow day as if it was sick day, I still have the 2 available of the month. Not counting to eat a lot but I may need to correct things, for ex at breakfast I ate too little and then I was hungry so I had a piece of brie and half a glass of milk mid-morning.
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Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:50 pm

Breaking a fast can be the trickiest part, from what I've read! Good luck having a very smooth series of N Days before we hit the weekend.

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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:07 am

Wednesday Week 3
133.2

I have not been feeling too well, since monday. On monday I felt kind of week, like always on day 5, but I went for a walk anyway, and I stretched myself a little too far. After that I began to have aches and pain everywhere (which sometimes have happened after the walks, but recently much less). Among those aches and pains there's some frustrating back pain (frustrating because I don't get to do properly the things I want to do) , and I wonder if it's the back or rather the kidneys (last 2 days of the fasting I "almost" dry fasted and took electrolytes including maybe too much salt, maybe my kindeys didn't appreciate?) or even the adrenals (because of the fast? or because I overdid it in a moment when I felt without energy?).
On the positive side, my normal level of energy is coming back.

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:41 pm

Eeek, hope you're feeling better soon!
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Post by lpearlmom » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:12 am

Oh no! I’ve come down with something too. Hope you feel better soon!
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Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:10 am

Thank you Auto and Linda! today I feel better. Almost completely recovered.

Thursday Week 4
135.1
Yesterday's food and water were green

End of the week numbers:
Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5, Avg138.43
Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5, Avg137.39
Week 3= O137.0, C135.1, H137.0, L131.0, Avg134.00

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Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:51 am

I may have to make this an extra S day, I don't think I should make it a red because it was a deliberate choice.
Last week while posting on carbs and fibers, I had the idea that I could offset the occasional white starches I eat, like quiche or pizza or pasta, or light-sugars, like morning ceral bowl with jam, by taking first a tbsp of fibers. I have chia seeds and psyllium seeds in the pantry, which are perfect for this. So today I decided to test the theory and have the cereal bowl with jam, preceded by the psyllim seeds. It's a really light sweet, and even respects the 15% protein ratio suggested by the Protein Leverage Hypothesis (one of my favorite theories of the year! meaning I discovered it this year, it was presented before that).
I am not sure how I can determine that the theory of off-setting the starches with the fibers works though, (although why shouldn't it? it's not that I am off-setting a donut) because I don't have a glycometer, and my weight is distorted in the post-fast phase. Maybe I should listen to Auto and buy myself the glycometer.

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Post by margot17 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:23 am

Friday Week 4
135.1


I stopped gaining weight!
Based on that I will consider my experiment with fibers and carbs a success for now and will include it in my rules (and retroactively promote yesterday to green instead of yellow). Today I think I will have a classic italian pasta that I often make, pasta with broccoli, which has a lot of fibers already, but I will anyway take the additional fibers just before the meal. So that is a good test to start with. The real big test down the line will be pizza-night!
The rule reads as: white carbs and a moderate amount of sugars are admitted in nos days, provided I have fibers just before.

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Post by margot17 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:39 am

Saturday Week 4
135.4

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Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:07 am

Sunday Week 4
137 kg


Using fibers to offset white carbs proved to be more complicated than I thought, I ended up taking 3tbsp all of a sudden yesterday and I am now feeling bloated and fat(ter). Maybe I should rethink this and either use the fibers consistently or not at all, because the body cannot handle easily these sharp changes of pace.
For the rest I am feeling pretty good, the effects of last fast have been subtler than those of the first, but I feel a little of extra-bounce when I move.
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Post by Whosonfirst » Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:21 pm

margot17 wrote:
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:10 am
Thank you Auto and Linda! today I feel better. Almost completely recovered.

Thursday Week 4
135.1
Yesterday's food and water were green

End of the week numbers:
Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5, Avg138.43
Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5, Avg137.39
Week 3= O137.0, C135.1, H137.0, L131.0, Avg134.00
As a lifelong fan of the markets and former financial advisor, I find it hilarious that you report OHLC for your weights. If we make a bar or line chart, you're on the down trend, but in your case, we should probably be buying.

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Post by margot17 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:17 pm

:lol:
You're correct! Retracement after the fast of last week was quick. Your long, if taken on Tuesday morning, would have been very profitable.
Now at the 137 level I hope to be resuming my bearish medium-long-term trend. If not I'm in trouble!
( That was really goofy of me, ha!)

The close is not a real close because it wouldn't make sense to weigh myself in the evening, so I go for the open of the day/week after. I really find it quite practical, it doesn't miss out any relevant info of the week. I will sure make a candle (or bar)chart at some point! Not that it's of any particular use, it's just an excuse to tinker and get some dopamine out of the process...

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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:21 am

Monday Week 4
135.6

The fibers may have been beneficial after all as it's the first weekend I don't gain too much, and I didn't do anything else differently. I decided to go for 1 tsp before meals yesterday and I will continue this way for now, taken consistently. I do eat a lot of vegetables, legumes and berries so that should suffice. And let's not forget the apples, pectin is often mentioned as a particularly beneficial soluble fiber.

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:55 pm

pectin is often mentioned as a particularly beneficial soluble fiber.
LOL, I console myself with this when I can't get my kids to eat other freggies.
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Post by margot17 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:10 pm

Oh wow, apples have saved me too from the thousands parenting remorses! I sneaked them in like, everywhere! Now my son has changed, today he even ate the skin of the aubergine, so impressed. Also, he steals pieces of my apple, which he shouldn't.

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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:31 pm

I notice when I eat apples I tend to generally do better, I wasn't a fan of them for years but now I have one nearly everyday and I wouldn't change that

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:58 am

Tuesday Week 4
135.8
Taking a day off the fibers as I feel I need still to process properly Saturday's fiber fest. Tomorrow I'll reassess. Really the case could me made that between the apples, the beans, the berries, the wasas, the vegetables, and now the added fibers, I may be getting in the "too much of a good thing" territory. I have had a slightly unpleasant sensation in the mouth of the stomach for a couple of days, and it may be related.

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:59 pm

I agree that you are probably already getting enough fiber and may not need a supplement.
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Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:51 pm

Thx Auto

Wednesday Week 4
136

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Post by margot17 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:01 am

Thursday Week 5
134.8




Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5, Avg138.43
Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5, Avg137.39
Week 3= O137.0, C135.1, H137.0, L131.0, Avg134.00
Week 4= O135.1, C134.8, H137.0, L134.8, Avg135.6

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Post by margot17 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:10 pm

Week 5
TH 134.8
FR 134.3
SA 143.3
SU 135.8
MO 136.5
TU 136.4
WE 135.0
TH 135.2

Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5
Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5
Week 3= O137.0, C135.1, H137.0, L131.0
Week 4= O135.1, C134.8, H137.0, L134.8
Week 5= O134.8, C135.2, H136.4, L134.3
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Post by margot17 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:13 pm

I am very pleased with my first month with nos. I lost 4kg, and it was so far quite easy, if not always effortless. I don't have particular problems with compliance during the week, I'd like to gain less weight in the weekend, and I don't think I go over the top eating like crazy, so I don't really know how to correct that. Maybe it's just my body snapping back easily to the former weight or something. Anyway, all good, hands down my favorite diet ever.

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:11 pm

So happy for your great success with the month!
Also, I'm really glad to hear that compliance is not too difficult for you; that bodes well for long-term sticking-with-it!

The weekends can be frustrating, yes. But please don't worry about them right now. Just keep your eyes on the great N Days you are having. S Days take care of themselves eventually, and EVEN if they don't - trying to fix them generally messes up N Days and then everything falls apart.
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Post by margot17 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:54 pm

Oh good to know, that's great advice, thanks.

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Post by margot17 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:20 am

Saturday Week 5
134.3

Yesterday we all woke up late and had breakfast at 1.00 pm so I ended up eating only 2 meals, and as I have already noticed other times, that's a "sacrifice" that does nothing for me. Funny as for others it works wonderfully.
I'll have to pay attention this summer, as we usually end up with quite crazy rhythms when school is off.

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Post by margot17 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:44 pm

I am thinking of adding a new good habit to track with the new month, it could be 15 min a day spent listening to some weight loss hypnosis CD, or meditating on my body (something similar to the taoist "smiling to the organs"). I do already meditate every day, have done that on and off for more than 20 years, and I love it.
I'll leave some low impact daily exercise to next month instead, as I don't feel ready yet.

And I like nos's idea of leaving the weekend alone. I think, in all future good habits I track, I will adopt the same weekend valve concept, as without it I kind of get claustrophobic after a while.

BTW I haven't tracked the water this month because I saw it had actually become quite automatic already. That was a habit I deliberately began to pay attention to in December, and I think that drinking more water is what made me get through the holidays without gaining weight. I really think it makes an enormous difference to how I feel and how hungry I am. So I'm happy it's become a good solid neural pathway.

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:50 pm

And I like nos's idea of leaving the weekend alone. I think, in all future good habits I track, I will adopt the same weekend valve concept, as without it I kind of get claustrophobic after a while.
NoS spilled over into how I approached systems change in so many areas of my life. I even used to have a signature to that effect. It should be a class in high school, haha.
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8/13-26.3; 8/14-24.5; 5/15-26.2; 1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6; 8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9; 3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8; 1/19-23.4; 2/19-22.7; 3/19-22.1

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Re: Margot's daily check-in - 2019

Post by margot17 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:35 pm

Tracking good habits is an entirely new concept for me, and I like it very much! I love the idea of neuroplasticity!
And I like acquiring this sensitivity, to know when to push it, and when to let myself be. How to be at the same time moderate and strict. Reinhard's understanding of all this is very subtle, and totally applicable to every area, you're right.

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