Manfa

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by manfa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:41 pm

So...after a very long time just reading through how it is going for everyone else, I thought it was time I committed to No S.

Like so many others, I am useless at dieting actually to the point where I don’t even start because I know I won’t be able to commit to it long term. My decision to start No S has come about because I saw a photo of myself over Christmas from the back and thought...hmmm....I’m a little bit wide! Lol I have never fooled myself about why I am overweight...I know it is because I eat too much!

I am a busy person and I don’t have any more hours of spare time for exercise. I swim for an hour twice per week and I try to walk as much as possible. Some weeks that can be a few miles, other times, much less. So, it’s even more important that I try to change my eating habits.

I am a UK size 16 and would like to get back to a 12 but I’m just aiming for 14 at the moment. I am hoping that I can cope with the slow weight loss as I didn’t put it on overnight so it’s not coming off that quickly (sadly).

So to start the check in, I weighed myself on Tuesday and started No S yesterday - a green day so a good start. So far so good today! But it’s only lunchtime so I’ll see how it goes!

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:08 pm

Welcome! I humbly suggest, since you say you know you’ve been over eating, that you think of yourself as losing that rather than losing weight. Try not to watch the pot right away, though. Best to delight in your moderate meals and keep your attention on the rest of your life between them. “Hovering†over our eating is a habit, too. But it sounds like you may have been busy enough that that’s not your issue.
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Post by manfa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:46 pm

I certainly am busy but in the past but obviously not enough to not snack! That is definitely my problem and thinking of losing what I have overeaten (ie. my snacks) might be a better way to think of it, as you say.

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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:26 pm

I always snicker on the inside when I hear people say they were too busy to eat. For me, it would mean I'd have to also not have access to food as it takes me just about no time to snack or beyond (and thus fail.) In fact, pairing rushing and eating was such a common thing that to this day, when I'm in a big rush, I can feel the urges to gulp something down. It was part of the excitement! But it's not the default anymore.
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Post by ladybird30 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:07 am

Welcome manfa.
manfa wrote:I have never fooled myself about why I am overweight...I know it is because I eat too much!
Me too. I What I didn't know was how not to eat too much. NO S has given me the tools to eat moderately. I hope it does for you too.
Three meals a day - not too little not too much, but just right

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Post by manfa » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:00 am

Here’s hoping No S can moderate it for me too!

Thursday - green day!

Feeling pretty pleased with myself as well because I had lunch at 12.30 and didn’t have dinner until 9pm because of husband working late....ate nothing in between!! Not quite sure how I managed that TBH....

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Wow! that is amazing! Pretty impressive for a newbie. :wink:

Welcome to the boards and to reasonable and sane moderation. Just like ladybird said, NoS provides tools (and structure) to help us moderate in a way we can feel confident, happy, and proud of ourselves.
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Post by oolala53 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:55 pm

Nice!

I find some days I can go for much longer than usual without much of a problem and other days, I'm on pins and needles.
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Post by manfa » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:35 pm

Thanks!

Pleased to report another green day for Friday. First S day is going ok so far...not too overboard. Still got the evening to go but I’m quite full from dinner so I think (hope) that will see me through to breakfast.

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Post by manfa » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:45 am

So...my S days were not as heavy as I expected them to be, so that’s a positive. Now into my first whole week of N days. So far so good:

Monday SUCCESS
Tuesday SUCCESS

I must admit that I didn’t think posting on a forum would make any difference but the thought of posting a red day (which I know is inevitable) is keeping me going a bit!

Even though it’s only been a few days, I am already feeling less cross at myself because I am not snacking which though I enjoyed it at the time, would make me feel angry at myself afterwards for not having any self control!

Thanks to everyone for your support and all the other posts not even related to me! It helps me to stay focused!

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Post by Soprano » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:27 pm

Well done, sounds like you are doing well :)

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Post by Bluebell » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:36 am

Hi manfa, I’m in the UK too, also a size 16. I’ve had many struggles with my eating over the years and am currently back here because NoS is the only sane way I have ever found of gaining control around food. I’m glad you’ve found it and wish you every success, sounds like you’re off to a great start. :)
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Post by manfa » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:52 pm

Hi Bluebell! I haven’t done No S before now although I have tried to cut out snacks before. It’s going (surprisingly) well at the moment.

Wednesday success

Weighed myself this morning and have lost 2.9lb since I started last Wednesday. :D

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Post by manfa » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:28 pm

Thursday SUCCESS

:)

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Post by Emmanuella » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:35 pm

Great job. Seeing all the green must put a smile on ur face! !

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Post by Bluebell » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:57 pm

Well done, you’re off to a great start. Enjoy your weekend :)
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Post by Whosonfirst » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:20 am

manfa wrote:So...my S days were not as heavy as I expected them to be, so that’s a positive. Now into my first whole week of N days. So far so good:

Monday SUCCESS
Tuesday SUCCESS

I must admit that I didn’t think posting on a forum would make any difference but the thought of posting a red day (which I know is inevitable) is keeping me going a bit!

Even though it’s only been a few days, I am already feeling less cross at myself because I am not snacking which though I enjoyed it at the time, would make me feel angry at myself afterwards for not having any self control!

Thanks to everyone for your support and all the other posts not even related to me! It helps me to stay focused!
Belated welcome. I believe that quote above is key to success for the most of us.

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Post by oolala53 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:27 pm

Week two of N days done. Delight in ALL your food this weekend!
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Post by manfa » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:35 pm

I’m a bit behind on checking in after a busy weekend. It was my birthday this weekend and at work on Friday there were chocolate brownies in my honour so I knew I would have to either fail or declare an S day. I didn’t have any snacks on Saturday so I feel happier to declare Friday as an S day rather than to say I’ve failed. Annoying have a birthday so soon after starting!

Friday: S day
Monday success

Yesterday, I didn’t even think about eating outside of my three meal times, even after going swimming in the evening!

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Post by Whosonfirst » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:38 pm

Great start. don't worry about your birthday being an S.

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:44 pm

That's great that your body is adapting to regular and discrete mealtimes.

And Happy Birthday! Definitely an S Day.
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Post by oolala53 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:16 pm

It's part of the protocol to call your birthday one of your 2-per month permitted extra S days (called NWS) days rather than a fail or trading for an weekend day. You can still NOT have an S on any S day.

I've gotten more picky about brownies but many fit the bill. Hope yours were really good.
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Post by manfa » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:17 am

Thanks for the birthday wishes auto!

I know what you mean about being picky oolala. Quite a while ago, I made the decision to stop eating shop bought cakes/brownies, etc. I found that sponge cakes taste more like sponge and less like cake. I love baking so I only eat homemade cakes now, although hopefully less than usual!

It’s definitely getting easier! Thank you all for the support.

Tuesday: SUCCESS :D

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Post by manfa » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:37 pm

Wednesday success 😊

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Post by oolala53 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:43 pm

I never did master baking without eating too much on the way. And my results were not nearly as good as what I can buy. But I know some people are really good at it. You're one of them, I'm sure. Baking anything this weekend?
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Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

There is no S better than Vanilla No S.

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Post by manfa » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:02 am

No time for baking at the weekend, sadly!

Friday: success
S days: Maybe a bit too extravagant on Saturday but not too bad on Sunday
Monday: success

It was quite nice to be back in the routine on Monday to be honest. I think that once I’m truly in the habit of no.s I will apply a few rules to the weekends as well but I’m going to wait for a few more weeks before I do that.

I weighed myself on Friday and I had stayed the same as last week which is remarkable considering the amount I ate on my birthday weekend! 😂

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Post by manfa » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:43 am

Oh dear, oh dear!

Not such a successful week this week ðŸ™

Wednesday: fail
Thursday: success
Friday: fail

I know why these failures happened....Wednesday was a stressful day (the third day in a row of stressful days at work and a pain in the neck MIL). I only failed a little by having two biscuits but it was still a fail. I usually swim on Wednesdays too but I missed it because I finished work late. It was a miserable day!

Yesterday. I had my lunch a lot later than normal but we also had dinner early because my son had a club in the evening and my husband had to leave to away for the weekend. I really like us to have dinner as a family so I had to eat with them. I ended up leaving half of it and then eating the other half later in the evening. I also had two biscuits.

It also didn’t help that I weighed myself yesterday morning and found I had stayed the same again. In my head, I know that the weight will come off eventually, but I also know I am someone that needs to see the scales move!

I’m not giving up...I will try to not go mad this weekend with my S days and get back on track on Monday.

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Post by oolala53 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:50 am

Do your best to let it all go. Have some delicious meals this weekend and try to be a little nonchalant about S's. How much more can you ask of yourself? You'll get back to it Monday.
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Mar/18 22.2

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Post by Allisonmeg » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:29 am

Hi manfa, Just wanted to say hi and let you know I'm reading you! I have been in and out of NoS for about 6 years but I ALWAYS come back. Whatever happens, you always know this is where you belong!
Belated Happy Birthday!!

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Post by manfa » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

I will try to let it go oolala; it definitely helps to post on here, good or bad. I know I need to mark it and move on!

Hi Allisonmeg...thank you for the birthday wishes. Although it’s not been a great week, I am determined to carry on so that No S becomes my default even if things do go wrong sometimes.

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:25 pm

Enjoy your S Days!
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Post by manfa » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:37 am

Weekend wasn’t too bad...just some chocolate buttons yesterday evening whilst watching Doctor Who!!

Do people find it more helpful to post what they are eating? I’ve read through lots of daily check ins and some people are amazing at keeping an up to date diary of what they are eating and others seem happy to just post success or otherwise.

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Post by automatedeating » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:17 pm

As one of those people that always posts my meals (even on S days!), I would say that at this point I use it as much as a planning tool than anything else. I can't TELL you how many times I've listed my meal plans for the day, only to realize something will make a particular meal tricky to stick to NoS. Then I'm able to anticipate and plan (often by looking up the restaurant menu online, or packing more food to take with me, or changing what I'm going to make for dinner due to time constraints).

Anyway, it all comes down to your own goals and priorities and how much fun it is for you to keep an online journal.
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Post by manfa » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:30 pm

I think I am going to give it a go and see if that helps me to keep on track a bit better this week.

Breakfast: 2 oatibix with milk and banana, cup of tea
Lunch: Tuna salad, apple, satsuma, small yoghurt pot
Dinner: Pork, vegetable and rice stir fry

Swimming: 42 lengths x 25m = 1050m
Working my way up to 50 lengths by increasing by two lengths every couple of weeks, hence the random number of lengths.

Lunch sounds like a lot but the tuna salad was not that big. And my biggest problem really is snacking so I'm working on that more than anything.

Monday: success!

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Post by automatedeating » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:51 am

Great job with the swimming! I always admire swimmers - I think those are the hardest workouts!
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Post by manfa » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:45 am

I find swimming so much easier than most exercise, like running. I’m not a particularly fast swimmer, but even so, my running is so awful that I could probably swim 1km quicker than running it!!

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Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:09 am

I would like to go swiming too, in the future. What I find cumbersome is to have to dry my hair etc. As a child I used to do agonistic swimming and I remember going out of my training, late afternoon, still kind of humid allover, and step into the dark cold winter, possibly foggy, with red eyes for the chlorine. Weirdly, I liked all of the above.

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Post by manfa » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:05 pm

Can’t say I enjoy the after-swimming bits...being cold when I get out the pool, hair being all knotty because of the chlorine, trying to pull on jeans when you can never dry your legs properly, feeling super cold when you walk outside!

I used to swim in my late teens but stopped when I moved towns and my life changed. I got back into it about six months ago and managed to teach myself to swim underwater which probably doesn’t sound too difficult but it took a lot of practice!

Anyway, more important, today has been success!

Breakfast: 2 slices peanut butter on toast, orange juice
Lunch: Cous cous salad, apple, satsuma, small yoghurt pot
Dinner: chicken curry with rice

No swimming today but managed to clock up 3.5 miles walking.

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Re: Manfa

Post by margot17 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:58 am

manfa wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:05 pm
trying to pull on jeans when you can never dry your legs properly
horrible, ha ha!

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Post by manfa » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:47 am

Wednesday: success :D

B: oatibix and banana
L: tuna sandwich, apple, satsuma, small yoghurt pot
D: chicken casserole, mashed potato and veg

Also lost 1lb this week. Not much but put a smile on my face as have stayed the same for a couple of weeks.

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Post by automatedeating » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:28 pm

The little drops can definitely put a smile on one's face! I know you put a smile on mine while describing your post-swim-workout acrobatics to get dressed and deal with the cold!
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Post by manfa » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:05 pm

Glad to have made you smile auto 😊

Checking in slightly earlier to ensure I am done with eating today!

Thursday: success

B: 2 slices peanut butter on toast
L: couscous salad, banana, satsuma, small yoghurt
D: pork casserole with veg

I know that I could eat a bit less for lunch as time goes on, but at the moment it is keeping me going until dinner, so I’m not worrying about it.

Clocked up 3.07 miles of walking today.

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