scale y/n?

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scale y/n?

Post by margot17 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:40 pm

I have just found out about NOS diet and I haven't read the book yet, so forgive me if this question is answered in it.
Is it suggested to weigh in every day or every week or couple of weeks, or is it suggested to throw the scale out of the window, or any of the above is subjective? Thanks!

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Post by r.jean » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:31 pm

I think it is a personal choice. I try to weigh once a month.
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Post by automatedeating » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:39 pm

Personal choice. :-)
I weigh every day, but there are people on this forum that never weigh; that do quarterly weighs, that weigh once a month, that take averages of a week once in a month or once in a quarter.
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Post by oolala53 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:20 am

I don't think there is anything official in the book, though Reinhard has stated that he thinks having ideal habits is much preferred over aiming for an ideal weight. He has also stated that he thinks weight is not a very good metric for measuring a habit.

That said, I did weigh daily and average weekly for at least a couple of years, a habit I picked up when on the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet about 15 years before No S. (After which I went on to regain up to my highest weight.) The knowledge of my weight almost never affected my habits positively, despite the data that shows that on average, people who weigh themselves weigh less.

Lastly, if the scale has the power to make you feel rotten about yourself, skip it. But be very committed to moderate eating.
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Re: scale y/n?

Post by beeonne » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:02 am

I weigh daily and put the results to Libra app (for android). It automatically balances the ups and downs and shows me the trend. I'm on my first week and probably will do the daily weighing for a few weeks, just to show myself that (no matter the speed) the weight is coming off and when I have evidence of the downward trend, I will weigh less frequently.

I think for Iphone there's a similar app called Happy Scale.

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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:13 pm

I'm a recovering daily weigher, I think I'm going to weekly because it'll be less stress but I can still monitor it

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by Staff Assistant III » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm

the problem with only weighing weekly is that you can easily catch your high weight for the week on one day.

I like daily weighing with a weekly average. My Fitbit app actually does it for me.
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Re: scale y/n?

Post by margot17 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:10 pm

beeonne wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:02 am
I weigh daily and put the results to Libra app (for android). It automatically balances the ups and downs and shows me the trend.
Thank you for mentioning it! I installed it and it is very nice. Love it.

I weigh every day for the same reason that Staff Assistant III mentioned, I'd hate to take conclusions based on random spikes up or down. Then again, being that this is a long term thing it doesn't matter and weekly is enough granularity. In general though, the more data the better, almost in any field.

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Post by Thisisnotabadidea- » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:07 pm

Staff Assistant III wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm
the problem with only weighing weekly is that you can easily catch your high weight for the week on one day.

I like daily weighing with a weekly average. My Fitbit app actually does it for me.
I keep hearing this excuse and it stresses me out when I think about weighing less, But weighing everyday is negatively effecting me and when I look at my over all I tend to fluctuate more monthly than weekly anyway. But I'm so worried that when I do weigh it'll be like 4 pounds over my normal weight but it's only a fluctuation :?

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Post by ChandaLikePanda » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:59 pm

I was going to start a new thread about when people weigh themselves, then I saw this thread. For me, I think it would be best to weigh weekly, on Friday morning. It should be after 5 N days, so I would expect the scale to show a loss at that point. If I weighed after the weekend S days, I might have gained weight from not being so strict on the S days.

Of course if you are a woman, you have hormones that can wreak havoc with your weight, too.
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Post by NaomiShambles » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 am

beeonne wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:02 am
I think for Iphone there's a similar app called Happy Scale.
That's right. I use it and I think it's great! I find that weighing daily & using Happy Scale to smooth out the graph has helped me understand & not fear weight fluctuations.

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Post by nettee » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:07 pm

Thanks for the tip. I have downloaded Happy Scale and it looks great
3 tasty meals a day and loving it

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Post by Over43 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:58 pm

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Post by Elizabeth50 » Wed May 22, 2019 11:34 am

No for me. I hid my scale away a couple months ago and I feel like I've been unchained! I love the freedom of not worrying over fluctuations anymore.
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Re: scale y/n?

Post by GabbyGirl2 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:11 pm

I have been weighing every day for many years, long before No S. I obsess about the scale. I keep on putting it into the closet and taking it out again (literally every couple of days). I allow the results to determine how I feel for the day. I am new to No S and don't want to do this anymore. I like the idea of weighing on Friday mornings because it will help me determine how much I will eat on S days. Am I just rationalizing? I may try it and see if I can can do it. I have a feeling that Reinhard would say to enjoy the S days no matter what I weigh on Fridays. Thoughts?

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by Soprano » Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:49 pm

I weigh once a week on a Friday, it is hard not to let it influence your mood.

Be careful if your weight goes up are you likely to be silly over the weekend? If so switch to Monday.

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by GabbyGirl2 » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:21 pm

Thank you, Soprano! If my weight went up on Friday, I would likely get silly over the weekend, yes. I think I would punish myself by either overeating or undereating on the weekend. Either way, It would be irrational.

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Post by automatedeating » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:25 pm

I think if you obsess about the scale, you might want to just throw the damn thing out for good. :-)

Seriously, what about just using a measuring tape once a week or once a month and avoid using the scale for... say 6 months....?
Month/Year-BMI
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8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
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Re: scale y/n?

Post by GabbyGirl2 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:24 pm

I have read that a woman's waist should not be more than 35 inches. Is that right?

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:33 pm

Well, yes and no. Apparently at this point the science indicates that waist to height ratio is probably the best measurement for gauging metabolic health. It should be less than 0.5 (or even less than 0.48 for women). So you divide your waist circumference (at your belly button) by your height. For example, my waist is 30.5 inches and my height is 62 inches so my ratio is 0.49. Ratios higher than 0.50 indicate higher risk of metabolic syndrome and all the things (diabesity, heart disease, etc.) that go along with that.
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6

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Post by GabbyGirl2 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:07 pm

Mine is .66 - uh oh! I have diabetes and I had bypass surgery in 2012 at age 58. Do you mind terribly if I ask your weight? Mine is 180. I am 62.5 tall and waist is 41.5.

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Post by automatedeating » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:36 pm

Today, 124.8 pounds. :wink:
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8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by GabbyGirl2 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:42 am

That is fantastic! Congratulations. My goal is 155, which would be a loss of 25 pounds. But, habits before weight loss. :)

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:03 am

I can't remember if you already knew this, Gabby, but I have prediabetes..... it is a big motivator for me!
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by Soprano » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:00 am

Gabby are you type 2 diabetic?

If so cutting the snacks and sweets is really going to help you.

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by GabbyGirl2 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:29 am

Yes, I have Type 2 diabetes, as well as coronary artery disease. I had a heart attack and bypass surgery in 2012 with no complications since then. No significant heart damage. I think of myself as lucky. My doctor says my blood glucose is under control.

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Post by Soprano » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:28 pm

Sorry to hear that but there is a lot of evidence that reducing carbs will help your condition, also the number of times you eat. Hopefully this will give you extra incentive to stick to the rules :)

Good luck

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Post by GabbyGirl2 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:33 am

Thanks, Soprano - good advice! I had so much incentive right after the bypass surgery and concurrent diabetes diagnosis. I lost 40 pounds in a few months. I've gained half of it back, and that's where I still am today. :(

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Post by GabbyGirl2 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:08 pm

Well, I hid the scale away in my closet, and no more than half an hour later took it out again. I'm just not ready to go to weekly yet.

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Post by Soprano » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:09 pm

Not necessarily a problem to weigh daily just don't let it derail you

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Post by clarinetgal » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:03 am

I have a huge love/hate relationship with my scale. I weigh daiLy, but the number affects me way too much, so I’m thinking about weighing weekly (or even less frequently).
Committing to a fresh start, with 3-4 plates and no snacking.

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Post by oolala53 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:14 pm

I humbly suggest it's ultraprocessed refined carbs that are the problem. Societies eating a high unrefined starch diet have very little diabetes or other degenerative disease.

I've said before No S cannot defy the laws of physics, and I'll add chemistry now. People with health conditions cannot have the same leeway without taking risks that have little to do with weight loss. At the same time, certain body types can have good results without getting to the low BMI's targeted and may resist getting to those low ones without rather drastic changes. Only you can tell if the risk of the debilitating effects of pre/diabetes (than can be developing with no symptoms before they are full-blown enough to notice). But it's all about numbers.

If the scale helps a person implement and stick to life-affirming habits without dissolving her spirit, it is productive. Embrace productive suffering; eschew unproductive suffering. And believe in your ability to choose the tough thing to do for the payoff.
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SBMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8
3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux
6/21 22

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Post by automatedeating » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:26 pm

Oolala, although I entirely agree that unrefined starches are fine in the context of an otherwise healthy metabolism, once the metabolism has been damaged (by processed foods or who knows what else in our modern culture), some people simply cannot tolerate the carbohydrates that they otherwise might have. A type 2 diabetic simply cannot eat the amount of starches that otherwise metabolically healthy people can. I can attest to this myself based on years of experimentation - indeed, I am only prediabetic, and my carbohydrate tolerance is not what I wish it was.
Month/Year-BMI
8/13-26.3
8/14-24.5
5/15-26.2
1/16-26.9; 9/16-25.6
8/17-25.8; 11/17-26.9
3/18-25.6; 8/18-24.5; 10/18-23.8;
3/19-22.1; 10/19-21.8
6/20-22.5; 7/20-23.0; 9/20-23.6

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Post by oolala53 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:38 am

I know that is true of some and possibly most, but there are plenty of cases on the internet of people turning around their diabetes with high starch diets of whole foods even after years of abuse with the usual suspects. I would hope that each person would use good tactics to monitor their body's reactions very carefully. You obviously have for yourself and I"m glad you've found a system to manage your blood sugar. I haven't done it for blood sugar yet because there has been no indication of issues, but my family has a history of high blood pressure. Even though my readings have been very good with one exception over the last few years-my doctor was no worried at all-, I've considered getting a blood pressure cuff and monitoring my bp after salty meals. I have given up so much over the years, and find myself sometimes feeling a bit sad over it. I have been drawing the line at salt, though I've cut some, and think I probably use a lot less than most people because I now cook almost all my food myself. But I'd have to put my money where my "do-it-for-your-health,-not-your-appearance" mouth is if I find that it's having a negative effect.

But not this month!
Count plates, not calories. 10 years "during"
Age 67
SBMI Jan/10-30.8
1/12-26.8
3/13-24.9 +/- 8-lb. 3 yrs
9/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
3/18 22.2
2 yrs flux
6/21 22

There is no S better than Vanilla No S.

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Re: scale y/n?

Post by April » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:21 pm

Libra (android) or Happy Scale if you have IOS was a game changer and I now weigh most days. Took the stress away from the highs and lows. Although, if your MENTAL health is negatively affected by weighing, I would not do it. You could go by how your clothes fit, that is what I did when I went scale free for a while before I discovered the 7 day rolling average method. I also have a belt that is a good indicator as well.
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