Graham's Daily Check In

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by Graham » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:50 am

11st 11lb, 40 3/4", BMI 25.5, WHtR 60.4%, Body Fat 34.6%
Rower 25min 4.33K

The post fast meal was generous. There is no weight or waist-loss to show for the effort of fasting. The day itself was less productive than it might have been. The fasting feels OK, but then the re-entry to strict No S leads to my monster one-plate meal. I wonder if I should handle post-fast differently?

I find myself getting involved in elaborate calculations about how to fit in my exercise and singing to best advantage. Now I'm in 2 choirs I can't be so casual about days skipped - it will show at rehearsal, and I am prominent in the tenor section.

Is a big post-fast meal, almost a blow-out, a burden on my digestion? Fasting seems now to be an ineffective diet strategy, though it may still confer health benefits. In theory it does, though even there I have my own story to tell - tired eyes are an annoying effect, frequent bouts of trivial but annoying symptoms of inflammation in the nasopharyngeal area following fasting.

Fasting, plus my body at 61, plus the UK climate, plus what I eat when I am eating including supplements, all adding up to what? In my case, beneficial or not? The dogma of younger fasting proponents isn't for me to rely on without question - my own facts must also be considered, if I can tease them out from the complexity of the multiple inputs and outputs of my life.

Exercise - is it going to be a reliable response to my issues - or will it too buckle if leant on too heavily? Right now I don't feel happy with my physical predicament. It could surely be worse, I see that all around me, but it is this body I'm concerned with, struggle with.

2pm I noticed my impatience with myself as I rowed today - feeling heavy, slow, hampered, unenthusiastic, leaden, resentful of this body's limits. Yet it is this body I seek to preserve - for I am not certain that I have any other home.

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Post by Graham » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:51 am

11st 9 3/4lb, 40 3/4", BMI 25.3, WHtR 60.4%, Body Fat 35% #
rowing 22min 4K

Up till 4am at post choir get-together - I like to socialise but the after-effects are wearing.

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Post by Graham » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:20 am

11st 9 3/4lb, 40 5/8", BMI 25.3, WHtR 60.2%, Body Fat 34.7%
rowing 22min 40sec, 4K.

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Post by Graham » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:26 am

11st 10 1/2lb, 40 5/8", BMI 25.4, WHtR 60.2%, Body Fat 34.5%, #
Rower 27min 50sec, 5K

I won't fast today. I want to change the pattern. A year ago No S plus fasting was quite effective for weight-loss, but I have changed, and my life has changed.

A year ago, when I did use my rower, I was much quicker, I was 15lbs lighter and 3" slimmer round the waist. I lost all that slimness and fitness over the winter, somehow. I guess I have become less strict over the length of fasts, and must be eating more in between - so some of the utility of fasting has been lost.

The effectiveness of fasting rests not only on the mechanical/physiological aspects, but also on the inner perception and willingness. In that area I have issues, the unkind quality of self-deprivation is currently insupportable.

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Post by Graham » Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:14 am

11st 11lb, 40 7/8", BMI 25.5, WHtR 60.6%, Body Fat 35% #
rower 29min 45sec 5K

Not fasting leaves me a bit heavier and fatter - and no fitter, it seems. Irritable too. No sense to it, on the surface at least.

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Post by Graham » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:40 am

11st 8 3/4lb, 40", BMI 25.2, WHtR 59.3%, Body Fat 33.3%

I accidentally ate more protein and less starch yesterday - does that explain the effortless shrinkage? I had a vague yen for some sugary treat but didn't get round to having one. (menu was 4X cheese on toast for breakfast, later I ate 1/2 a roast chicken with most of the gravy and the onion I stuffed it with. - no other food. Coffee, tea, supplements, exercise. And I slept well last night. I'm avoiding alcohol since last crazy Tuesday.

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Post by Graham » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:19 am

11st 9 1/2lb, 40 3/4"

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Post by Graham » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:26 pm

@11st 12lb

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Post by Graham » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:04 am

12 stone. Mislaid tape measure - but I'm fat, I know it.

I haven't cared much about No S nor done any fasting for the past month. On November 14th my dad died. That I'm 61 and he was 91 didn't stop it being a massive upheaval. I couldn't bring myself to care about what I ate or how fat I got - I even started thinking about smoking again - after 6 years without a cigarette.

Now I find myself wanting to be here again, slowly finding my way once more.

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Post by milliem » Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:13 am

Sorry to hear about your Dad, it's never easy no matter what the circumstances *hugs*

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Post by idontknow » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:25 pm

Very sorry to hear about your dad, Graham. Losing a parent is never easy. Thinking about you at this difficult time.

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Post by oolala53 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:02 pm

Sorry to hear about your dad. My mother died 5 years ago today- while I was on the plane to go see her. I know it probably doesn't feel like worrying about food is very important, but eating too much will not likely make you feel better at the end of a day. In fact, moderate eating will be more supportive of your emotional state than just about anything. Hope you can salvage a bit of the holiday spirit.
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Post by Graham » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:50 pm

Thank you milliem, idontknow, oolala53 for your kind thoughts. My emotional state is muddled - sometimes I'm in tune with Christmas, sometimes it seems an irrelevance.

I did decide to sing in my choir's Christmas concert and I'm glad I did, now I'm studying to sing at my other choir's midnight mass and Christmas day services, and though I'm under pressure, it seems right to try.

Best wishes to you all,

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PS - though I didn't much care about my diet, the shadow of No S still shaped my behaviour and limited my excesses.

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Post by Graham » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:04 pm

12st 3lb, 41", BMI 26.4, WHtR 60.7%, Body Fat 33.7%

Finally near a scale (old dodgy spring scale) and tape measure at the same time. No surprise though, not feeling too brilliant altogether. And its Christmas...

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Post by LoriLifts » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:54 pm

Graham,
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sending you a cyber hug.
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Post by Graham » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:30 am

Hi Lori, thanks for the kind thought. I've kept away from this forum for a while, haven't been in the right frame of mind. I'm aiming to re-engage with No S, and fasting, I'm not looking or feeling good just now.

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Post by Graham » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:37 am

12st 3lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.4% Fasting

Dreading the fast, yet so needing the benefit. I'm adrift in many ways, including my use of food. Staying at my dad's place trying to sort things out - but not getting to grips with anything.

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Post by Graham » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:30 am

12st 2lb, 42", BMI 26.3, WHtR 62.2%, Body Fat 36.4%

Fast endured, managed not to snack or eat sweets - which is not so easy here (my dad's place - caches of sweets abound). Now 2 S days, can't fail S days..

I have neither rowing machine nor bike here. I can go for walks but the immediate vicinity doesn't seem that interesting. Now I've explored, I'm not drawn to going over the same ground regularly. A bike would give me greater range and possibilities.

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Post by Graham » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:45 am

12st 3 1/2lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.3%

Back to Friday's figure. How? Limited exercise, crappy food: biscuits abound here, I find it difficult to think of just throwing things away. The stuff here is not what I would ever buy, I wouldn't have it in the house, I know I just eat it mindlessly. Also getting frequent acid indigestion, again, not how I am at home. Is it the food, the excess, being so fat round the middle or ageing and degeneration? Damn it!

I'm planning to fast again tomorrow, that I can do. But fasting without No S isn't adequate. Even a weekend without a No S pattern, with ramshackle day-long snacking on rubbish (sweets, biscuits with butter :oops: ) is enough to expunge the results of a day's fast, was that deprivation for naught? Well, I can say this: without the fast, I'd be even fatter. My body betrays me, if I do not observe and restrain it - but how bloody tedious!

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Post by NoSRocks » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:51 pm

Hi Graham

Just read your posts about your dad and I wanted to say how sorry I am for your loss.
Sorry I didn't post this sooner!

Also sorry to hear you're struggling. I, too, have been finding it especially difficult, particularly after the holiday season. My S Days have been leaving a lot to be desired lately but I hope that given time, I can get back into a routine again.

Thanks for continuing to be an inspiration to me.

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Post by Graham » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:47 am

NoSRocks, thanks for the kind thoughts. Strange to think of myself as an inspiration, but I'm happy to be one for you.

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Post by Graham » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:15 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.7% Fasting

I hadn't felt inclined to fast today, but then I saw the scales and tape measure and I saw no way out...

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Post by Graham » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:26 am

12st 3 1/2lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.3% #

Right. Monday's fast put me back to where I was on Saturday morning, after my Friday fast. I am a bit stuck. Environmental factors are playing a part here, and I hope I can turn that fact in my favour by identifying and changing them.

My post fast meal wasn't No S compliant. I had dessert after the meal. I wanted more, and ate more. I could have eaten even more. How did I manage last year? How did I mind so much less then than now?

Stevia based sweeteners are now freely available in the UK. I just tried the Candarel version, it has a sickly after-taste like liquorice - not likely to be a regular in my diet. I can still use it on fasting days, as it doesn't spike insulin like some sweeteners. I have the Hermesetas stevia sweetener too, it's formulated differently, any better?

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Post by Graham » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:49 am

12st 6lb, 43", BMI 26.9, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 37.8% Fasting

Weekend wanting and eating ad lib seems to be a disaster. I feel appetite, I respond to it, and I'm ballooning. I witness this, concerned and with no sense of the power to change it. Like I'm pitted against bigger powers than I can see or beat. My stomach feels tight, tense, inflated (pressing against the waistband of my trousers).

I mused on the weekend that there's a mismatch between what is required to lose weight and the impulse to lose weight. The impulse is sharp, focused, wanting to make changes NOW - but, save for surgery, there is no line of action that can match that intense urge to change. A protracted fast might be something like what would work, but it's not a recipe for long-term weight management (or is it?). The concern is the damage fasting can do, when carried to extremes.

There are a people out there touting a raw-food solution - not sure if that's a path for me. I like salads, but I recognise I'm conflicted about being light, thin, eating less. I grew up fat, seeing my father well-padded - it was part of his strength. I detect an attractive sense of safety connected with eating, fattening and bulking. Addressing that, and the attraction of illusions when the reality isn't available - is that my path out of this maze?

Despite all the propaganda, I wonder how OK it is to be slim? Is there a general issue of personal power? If I feel more secure will I be more comfortable with getting slimmer? I have addressed this before, but let the matter drop. I may be about to address it again.

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Post by Graham » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:04 am

12st 4lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.1%

Fast went OK, finished with fish and chips and no snacking. A rare No S success these days.

I'm walking an hour a day, finding there are places with charm - marshlands with wading birds and the wind blowing in off the sea.

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Post by Graham » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:37 am

12st 2 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38.1% #

I almost had a successful No S day yesterday. I'm in an odd situation: two big meals a day isn't enough, but 3 meals would be too much. Just now it's 2 meals plus a little bit extra after the evening meal.

I have to let go of my 5-a-day goal where it conflicts with moderation. Don't know why that is a problem at the moment, but it is.

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Post by Graham » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:23 am

12st 2 1/2lbs, 42 7/8", BMI 26.4, WHtR 65%, Body Fat 40.9% #

2 meals but dessert and snacking happened after meal #2. Overall eating feels less driven.

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Post by Graham » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:30 am

12st 2 1/4lbs, 42 7/16", BMI 26.3, WHtR 62.9%, Body Fat 37.4%, Fasting

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Post by Graham » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:19 am

12st 2 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4,WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38.1% #

Reverse effect from a fast that felt effective, followed by a late-ish meal that wasn't no s compliant because I had dessert. And lemonade. I could have had a beer, but I wanted lemonade. Didn't get a walk either.

Overall I'm not discouraged, I'm feeling less desperate about my chances of success. I'm still capable of exercise, and at no point during this fast did I get a sore nose/throat, nor do I have one now. So I'm saying something in me is a little healthier.

If I'd had one more vegetable to incorporate in my main meal, I'd've had no pretext for dessert. I did tell myself I didn't have to have 5 fruit and veg portions in one meal if I'd been fasting all day - but maybe I wasn't truly clear or sure which principle meant more to me - or was it a good excuse to keep eating?

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Post by Graham » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:19 am

12st 4 3/4lbs, 42 3/8", BMI 26.7, WHtR 62.8%, Body Fat 36.6%

Didn't bother with 5-a-day. In fact, though I bought fruit and vegetables, I didn't eat any all day, save for the onion I used to stuff the chicken. Had buttered toasted muffins, scrambled egg, roast chicken, uninspiring eating, late cheap chocolates, a beer, lemonade, no exercise, some stress (another sick cat. Sam is falling over inexplicably - vet's not sure why, trying steroids, I am afraid his time is short)

Life not as it should be. Can't blame SO for this, she's abroad. Can and do suspect chocolates. And my eating them, of course. Weight coming on fast! I wish I'd tracked down a suitable bike, it would be transforming, I suspect.

I couldn't get myself to meditate yesterday either. Out of sorts without inspiration to tackle it. Disordered in thought, feeling and action. Angry too.

12:38: today's going better: meditation and a good walk, now comes a proper breakfast.

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Post by Graham » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:17 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 43", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 38.3% Fasting

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Post by Graham » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:46 am

12st 3lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38% #

The fast was challenging. I was quite active for a good part of it, but the fast ending meal felt more like a binge, my distended stomach ached. Despite being full, my meal didn't satisfy me - and I had half a bar of chocolate to follow.

I need to think about what I eat at the end of a fast. Something was lacking from that meal, but what? Was it that I had rice instead of bread? Was it wheat I missed out on? I had leftover roast chicken sautéed with onion, mushroom, green capsicum and pineapple, accompanied by boiled sweet potato, broccoli and a generous portion of rice. I was certainly full after all that - but not satisfied, something wasn't right. Maybe I need to do more with seasoning? Make the meal more of an exciting experience?

* A later reflection on last night's excess and the craving that prompted it: when neat sugar is forbidden (as it is in No S) perhaps a fast-digesting carb, like toasted industrial bread, would raise my blood-sugar faster than rice?

3pm I've only just eaten! My stomach was a long time recovering from last night's excess.

About exercise. I've been trying to ensure a daily 1hour walk, managing most days, but, even after a couple of weeks' effort, I'm still not comfortable doing it. My left leg tends to bother me either at the hip or the ankle. I'd hoped to become more acclimatised to the effort by now, but haven't got there yet. I've enquired about a bike in the local paper, let's see how that pans out.

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Post by Graham » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:39 am

12st 2 1/2lb, can't find tape measure #

Yesterday was such a relief, the crazy eating impulse gone. I don't know what turns that impulse on or off, but I feel food-sane again. Long may it continue.

Can't say which comes first, but yesterday was a very emotional day too - I listened to a lot of my favourite tunes and sorrow flowed. I am not where I want to be, or what I want to be, but I'm closer.

The bike in the paper was already gone, but I have a new lead to an affordable mount, might check it out, if there's time.

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Post by Graham » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:13 am

12st 2 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38.1% #

Moderate eating meant I missed my 5 a day, thought I might see something on the scale or the tape measure, but I had a lot of bread yesterday, I suspect it expands my waistline.

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Post by Graham » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:05 am

12st 3 1/4lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.3% bizarre fail: what was I thinking/feeling?

Very peculiar behaviour yesterday. My rhythm disturbed waiting for a workman to keep his appointment led to ramshackle starch-eating. At that point I still considered myself to be having a No S success day, just eating poor food.

(Perhaps to explain: my day, well-ordered, would involve compliance with several interlocking goals. I aim to meditate twice daily. My practice is best done on an empty stomach, so, if meditation is delayed then so is eating. The eating is not only No S but with 5-a-day incorporated. I am currently resentful of my menu, bored and resistant, no idea what I need to change.)

After the electrician finally left, I had time to meditate, eat more starch, then go for my walk: It started well. Almost no aches or stiffness in my legs, I was brisk. I recalled why I used to enjoy walking in days gone by: I'd get a mild and enjoyable high from doing it, one that led to constructive, optimistic thought. It was a great gloom-buster. Yesterday, however, it led to feeling a little light-headed, and my whole left arm gradually became numb. (That's not new, usually it's just my hand, I assume it's a nerve thing)

My evening then was very strange: first orange juice with brewer's yeast: that was delicious, and a pot of macaroni cheese (Dad's freezer plays its part again). I missed my 5 a day completely and to top things off, a beer and then another attack on the remaining stash of chocolates.

Today I'm not fasting either. I am starting to prepare to return to London, and I don't want the burden of spells of weakness and nagging hunger to compete with what must be done.

One good thing: I discovered how to go back to sleep, ending up having nearly 10 hours in bed. One bad thing: we're having a cold spell, the heating is off in my flat in London, I'm a little concerned it might lead to water leaks...

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Post by Graham » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:54 am

12st 3 1/2lb, 43 1/8", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63.9%, Body Fat 38.8% #

I didn't fast, did manage to comply with No S (though I felt like eating more) and here I am: 1/4lb heavier, 5/8" fatter, and my stomach feels distended and tense. That feeling is the worst bit, the discomfort of a body in disarray.

I did have a moderately productive day, is it enough to compensate for this ongoing deterioration? 2 S days now.

I'm very conscious of a growing difference between what my mind thinks I'll enjoy and how my stomach responds. I don't seem to know what food suits me any more.

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Post by Graham » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:33 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 42 7/8" BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.5%, Body Fat 38%

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Post by Graham » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:14 am

12st 3 1/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.9% #

I accidentally had something like a fast yesterday - and then a big meal, and found not having dessert a bit challenging, I'm hoping dessert &/or sweet eating is a habit I can overcome, now the chocolates are all gone. No S compliant days are no longer routine or easy.

I didn't fast either Friday or Monday, haven't done any walking for days either. I am not myself here, for both good and ill.

What is here: The coast and sea air - marsh land, flat landscape. Good central heating. Plenty of parking space. Biscuits, sweets and booze galore. Big kitchen, too much furniture, pictures and pottery. I feel unsettled, like a dog going round and round in tight circles, unable to find where feels right to lie.

What is not here: A music system! Just a cassette radio and a couple of tinny clock radios - but no decent sounds to be had in the whole place. Without decent speakers music just isn't fun. Like a song sung badly, it is worse than silence. TV is dross, sometimes compelling, but ultimately leaving me somewhat diminished for having watched it. However exciting it seemed to be, ultimately, I was passive, immobile, dumb. Good music, on the other hand, nourishes me, fostering thought and action.

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Post by Graham » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:36 am

12st 3 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.8% #

I am not fasting today, prefer to emphasise No S, 3 meals, calmness.

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Post by Graham » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:05 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63/3%, Body Fat 37.7% #

What of yesterday? Switching away from fried breakfasts as my stomach is unsettled. Hence more starch, SO's choices play a part in that too. Will I return to fasting at some point? As a positive experience, as a rest from digestion? Emotions around eating and feeling full are intense, deep, powerful.

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Post by Graham » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:56 pm

12st 5lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.2% #

No idea what I weighed before yesterdays fast, I didn't care enough to find out.

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Post by Graham » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:00 am

12st 5 1/4lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.1%,#

Stress, decent regular meals, coupled with patchy exercise habits lead to gently ascending weight, but I'm overall pleased with more green days.

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Post by Graham » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:59 am

12st 2 3/4lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.8%, #

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Post by Graham » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:56 am

12st 3 1/4lb, 42 7/8", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63.5%, Body Fat 38.2%, #

Southport to London drive today, not fasting. Driving and snacking go together in my life. Avoidable? Worth avoiding? I do it to combat stressed feelings.

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Post by Graham » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:58 am

12st 5 1/4lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 36.8%,#

Fasted yesterday. Not easy, back home, disorganised.

My fast ending meal was unusually successful at staunching hunger: avocado vinaigrette preceding (!) steak with onions, mushrooms and chips (fries). Didn't even need any bread with it to feel I'd had enough, no struggle with nagging desires for a little bit of this or that, thank goodness.

The avocado could have been fitted on the plate but I was so spaced out and tired from fasting I felt it quite OK to eat it as I prepared the rest of my meal. I don't consider that a No S fail.

I rode my bike too, for the first time in a fortnight.

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Post by Graham » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:49 am

12st 6lb, 43", BMI 26.9, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 37.8%, #

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Post by Graham » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:53 am

12st 5 1/2lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 36.7%, #, Fasting

So, a second fast in a week, it's been a while since I could manage that. Hungry. It will be short, I'll want to be over it before tonight's church choir rehearsal.

1:30pm How can I be so fat AND so hungry? Why don't those "resources" get mobilised while I'm not eating? And why do I feel weak too? What is this body fat for if it's so unhelpful? Or am I just not fasting long enough to find out?

5:30pm Ginger tea would have helped earlier if I'd had any. Now reminded just how good it is. I'll start preparing my meal soon. I'll be slack about portion sizes too, not in the mood to cram my 5 a day in, even if I didn't know I had a bike ride and singing ahead of me.

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Post by LoriLifts » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:34 am

Hi Graham :)

I'm beginning IF 2 times a week, starting tomorrow. I had gotten out of the habit last year. It always seems harder to re-start a habit, I need to remember that.

I remembered that you were doing weekly fasts, looks like you're still at it. Good for you! I hope to walk in your footsteps.

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Post by Graham » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:57 am

12st 4 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.7, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.5% Fasting

Hi Lori. I'm not always able to manage 2 fasts a week at the moment, I'm getting back into it when I can, like today.

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Post by Graham » Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:47 am

12st 3lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 37.4%, #

Rather a good result considering that a demanding fast was followed by a poorly organised meal which became a 2-plater, then on into "what the hell" mode which saw me eat most of a giant pot of yoghurt.

In theory yoghurt is good stuff, but I can't think where to fit it in to my no S eating, so if I ever buy it, it usually leads to snacking (or it goes off neglected in the fridge, making me feel guilty) So, the mistake was when I bought it, and then I was vulnerable at the end of a fast, on a cold day, somewhat emotionally stressed.

Another error may have been the purchase of frozen chips. Again - if I buy them, I'm going to eat them, and they are a questionable part of my daily diet. Chips can be a joy, but these days I'm noticing palate and stomach not agreeing. Frozen chips are easy to cook, but at best they displace other, more nourishing vegetables, at worst they're an almost addictive high calorie starch/fat combo

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Post by Graham » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:05 pm

No numbers, but I fasted and then ate a well-prepared, balanced meal, without stuffing myself. If I can be bothered I'll weigh and measure myself tomorrow morning. It will be interesting, I think I might be a little slimmer.

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Post by Graham » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:10 am

12st 2 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38.1%, #

The waist measurement is greater than I hoped. It is early, a short night's sleep.

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Post by Graham » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:17 am

12st 4 3/4lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.7, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.2%

I have a cold. Didn't eat to excess, did have plenty of fluids. In bed.

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Post by Graham » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:27 am

12st 3 1/2lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.5, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.6%, #

Didn't fast, over the worst of the cold now, better night, less pain.

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Post by Graham » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:22 am

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Post by Graham » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:50 am

12st 5lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 36.9%, #

As I still have a cold I can't fail No S strictly speaking. Not fasting, it's probably sensible not to.

Good heavens! I just noticed, I haven't filled in my HabiCal since Sunday! How will I remember what I did and didn't do for so many days?

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Post by Graham » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:16 am

12st 6lb, 43", BMI 26.9, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 37.8%

No fasts this week, no weighing either. I have had a couple of goes on my rower. Depleted after my cold last week I've managed only short stints: e.g. 5 minutes for about 0.7K then 7 minutes for 1K yesterday. So, slowly building up again, again.

Improving weather may support my efforts.

6:20pm, did 10 minutes 1.6K on the rower.

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Post by Graham » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:35 am

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Post by Graham » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:36 am

12st 4 3/4lb, 42 1/2", BMI 26.7, WHtR 63%, Body Fat 36.9%, Fasting

Weight and waist drop, explained by poor appetite yesterday, plus a visit to green/raw food friends in the evening? (oh they are so thin... if I could eat as they do, would I be slim too?) And they have energy, plenty of it, and joy in life: could I enjoy their food as they enjoy it?

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Post by ~reneew » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:32 pm

Hi! I read through your pages a ways and wanted to say that I'm so sorry about your Dad. I hope you didn't start smoking! I'm wondering how long you typically fast. I too have done some fasting with mostly success, and am interested in how well it goes for others.
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Post by Graham » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:26 pm

Hi ~reneew, thanks for your kind thoughts. No, I didn't go back to smoking, it stayed as a thought impulse, didn't get beyond that.

My fasts currently last around 20 hours, and, when circumstances permit, I fast twice a week. I'm not managing that most weeks at the moment, too many other issues grabbing my time and attention. I'm not managing plain No S too well either. One plate meals that satisfy have proved problematic and I'm rethinking what I eat and when.

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Post by Graham » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:17 am

12st 4lb, 43", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 38.3%

No fast today, on the road again.

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Post by Graham » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:49 am

Saturday: 12st 3 1/4lb, 43", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 38.4%

Today I haven't weighed or measured myself. I am getting back into some of my healthy routines, but not all. My rower is in London, I'm in Southport, so that's off the menu for the moment, though I attempt a daily hour's walk or bike ride.

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Post by oolala53 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:29 pm

Hi, Graham. I was browsing threads and noticed a comment you made about yogurt. Just wanted to share that I have some little bowls that I put yogurt in, sometimes with fruit, and I put the little bowl on my plate while I fill the plate with the other foods I'm having. When I eat, I can take the yogurt bowl off. I tend to serve myself a little bit less of the protein and starch when I do this as I find the yogurt is filling, as long as I eat it slowly. Yes, it can be hard to eat creamy things slowly, but I love the flavor so much, I've learned to force myself, and it's not as much of an effort now. And worth it. Hope that helps.
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Post by Graham » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:46 pm

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Hi Oolala53, thanks for the tip. Recently I've been finding yoghurt too acid and less appealing. I'm stressed from all sorts of directions and my stomach is where it shows: indigestion, comfort eating, etc. Some foods I've liked now seem to disagree with me, might be temporary, maybe longer term changes in my diet are in the offing.

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Post by Graham » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:42 am

12st 5 1/4 lb, 42 5/8", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 37.1% Fasting #

Vaguely under the weather, but feeling like I really want to fast, not for the weight-loss but to rest my digestion. Let's see how it goes, and how I feel tomorrow morning. I have had to skip regular fasting these last few weeks and I miss it.

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Post by oolala53 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:25 pm

Sometimes it drives me crazy when I read other people's experience offered as if I can repeat the same thing, so I hope this doesn't affect you that way. But, over the last few months, I've had a few fasts just come over me, usually on a weekend. I would eat a rich meal, and then my hunger would just go away, (NOt my desire to eat; just true hunger.) I was experimenting with eating only when I was really hungry on weekends, as hungry as I get on N days. So I went 24 hours a few times and once even 36 hours. I don't know why my hunger went away. I wasn't sick. I could do all the stuff I usually do, though i don't work out as hard as you do. But I did drop weight each time and it has stayed down. I also tend not to eat any more at meals even when I start out feeling starved. In fact, I tend to feel I get full even faster. I have no idea why the "fasts" happened. I got to say, even without hunger, I didn't feel it was fun. But I was determined not to eat without that hungry feeling.

Good luck with this fast! Maybe some day I'll be able to do it on purpose.
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Post by Graham » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:59 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 42 3/8", BMI 26.6, WHtR 62.8, Body Fat 36.8% #

Though life feels complicated and untidy, the simple challenge of a fast is almost a pleasure. The meal at the end is the most enjoyable eating, when my appetite seems a straightforwardly good thing.

The difficult point is that the sense of desire to eat may go on, even beyond the emptying of that ever-so-well-filled plate, and patience is required to give the signal of "Enough" time to arrive. Was there a time when the big meal left me feeling completely satisfied? Now it brings fullness but with the sense that there's a little corner that might fit something sweet....

About the "working out" you mention oolala53 - these days I don't particularly do that, either on fasting days or other days. I didn't do much yesterday at all. It was partly that I felt a bit below par, also I now have some joint twinges to work around. This body is less and less willing to be driven to thinness, your spontaneous fasts sound like the ideal kind, growing out of some inner prompting, and ending with an inner prompting.

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Post by Graham » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:45 am

12st 4 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.7, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.5% #

A good fast, no idea what I weighed/measured beforehand so the effect is uncertain, I see I'm heavier than I was on Saturday. It feels like my digestion benefits from the break from eating, the fizzy water with lemon, the ginger tea.

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Post by Graham » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:40 am

12st 4lb, 43", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 38.3% #

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Post by Graham » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:37 am

12st 4 1/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.7% # Fasting

I will be busier today, out and about. I wonder how I'll cope with my fast? I'll learn from it.

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Post by Graham » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:09 am

12st 3 3/4lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.6, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.8% #

Eating with SO complicated one plating my fast-breaker as oft before, I'll award myself an amber. It was a meal at one sitting, no dessert, no snacks - but served in two parts - the salad hit the plate first, eaten before the chicken, cooked vegetables, spelt and sunflower bread landed.

Sadly (in my opinion) there's no amber in HabitCal : thinks: how about BLANK=AMBER? It could be my solution, though I do understand creating wiggle room may not be a slimmer's best bet.

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Post by Graham » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:55 am

12st 5lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.5%

I don't get how I put the weight back on. I was on a focusing course, not physically active, sugar instead of sweeteners, biggish single-course lunch in a traditional local restaurant.

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Post by Graham » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:30 am

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Post by Graham » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:04 am

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Post by Graham » Mon May 07, 2012 7:56 am

12st 7 1/4lb, 42 7/8", BMI 27.1, WHtR 63.5%, Body Fat 37.2%

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Post by Graham » Wed May 09, 2012 8:54 am

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Post by Graham » Thu May 10, 2012 6:32 am

12st 2 1/2lb*, 42 3/4", BMI 26.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 38.1%, #

In Southport again: notable achievement, drove 4 hours non-stop with NO SNACKS! I did drink some milk, and that has calories in it too, but they are permitted, unlike the nuts and raisins or sweets I have used to soothe and amuse myself on previous trips.

It turned out I only ate one (big) meal: I visited the local award-winning fish and chip shop. Wonderful battered cod and rather more chips than I needed. Late night TV and an early-rising vocal cat don't mix well. Why do I stay up late watching trashy movies?

*The bathroom scale here shows fluctuations making me question this figure. I may be a bit heavier. It would be very odd if I'd shed so much weight in so few days (though not impossible)

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Post by Graham » Fri May 11, 2012 6:57 am

12st 6 1/4lb*, 43", BMI 26.9, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 37.7% # Fasting

Did an hour on my bike, first such ride in over a week. Ate 3 meals, less than I wanted. Meal 3 was soup with buttered toast. It was a No S fail. I was hungry, the bowl was small, I had 2 bowls, intentionally, with grated cheese and 4 slices of toast, I could have eaten more.

I am not at peace with the No S restrictions at the moment, indeed, for some while. I am not at peace with the neediness that pushes me to keep fat, the neediness that emerges when my intake is in any way threatened, even in the artful manner of No S. The only manageable reduction I've encountered is intermittent fasting, and I'm fasting today.

*The scale here has got me doubting. It may be digital, but did I really put on 3 3/4lbs yesterday? Probably not. The waist, however - the tape measure doesn't lie.

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Post by Graham » Sat May 12, 2012 7:54 am

12st 5 1/4lb, 42 7/8", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.5%, Body Fat 37.7% #

The fast was easy*, I almost felt like not eating at the end, but I did, and once I did, even a 5-a-day on one big plate, with buttered toast, wasn't enough to satisfy me. At the end of the meal the desire for more nagged at me. After a late film, noting it was beyond midnight, the start of my S days, I had 2 Eccles cakes and then chocolate. I'm relieved to find I still lost some weight and waist.

*the not eating was easy, I had greater than my fasting usual physical energy BUT I was unproductive, wanting distractions, unable to focus on what needed to be done beyond minimal effort and shopping. I like fasting, but it doesn't mix well with stress. I have a life history of consuming to cope with stress. Family life had an undercurrent of stress and I ate too much. My body knows that style so well, can I get beyond this in myself? Some days that seems beyond me, though I've had spells of success.

I have, I think, a low tolerance for my own anger, I bury it under fat. If I healed the anger, I think the weight issue would be easy.

1 pm I note: chocolates promise fun but leave lingering regret: a well prepared salad has much more to offer. I still want chocolates or some similar sweet fatty thing to round out a meal - but they're no place to start.

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Post by Graham » Sun May 13, 2012 8:10 am

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Post by Graham » Mon May 14, 2012 6:54 am

12st 7lb, 43 1/2", BMI 27.1, WHtR 64.4%, Body Fat 38.7%

With a lot to do today, I'm doubting I should add the distraction of fasting, though I wish I could. Not in a good place.

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Post by Graham » Tue May 15, 2012 7:35 am

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Post by ~reneew » Tue May 15, 2012 12:35 pm

Graham wrote:drove 4 hours non-stop with NO SNACKS!
Wow! :shock: I understand! Good job!
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Post by Graham » Thu May 17, 2012 8:19 am

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~reneew thanks for encouragement. Yesterday was a fail, but I'm glad I had a vanilla ice cream at the Royal Ballet in Covent Garden (La Fille Mal Garde) - I'd never been before, and I preferred that to an alcoholic drink.

Let's say this: any disruption pushes on the weight-gain side of the equation, and there's lots of disruption in my life these days.

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Post by Graham » Fri May 18, 2012 8:17 am

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Post by Graham » Sat May 19, 2012 6:31 am

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Post by Graham » Sun May 20, 2012 9:53 am

12st 8 1/4lb, 43 1/2", BMI 27.3, WHtR 64.4%, Body Fat 38.4%

Here in dad's place in Southport, it is my undoing. The sweets, the layout, the central heating, the car (though the bike is coming into play increasingly as I learn my way around). And an ageing body, less tolerant of exercise, less tolerant of fasting, more prone to weight gain than weight loss.

Still, I have the choir now, late but better late than never. I saw an impressive bel canto soprano performance on YouTube (Edita Gruberova at 62) - she's 65 and still singing professionally - so I may still hope to make a beautiful noise.

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Post by Graham » Mon May 21, 2012 10:48 am

12st 9 3/4lb, 43 1/2" BMI 27.5, WHtR 64.4%, Body Fat 38%

Can't quite believe these figures though the trend is a fact. The tape measure isn't as quirky as my dad's electronic scales might be. Beautiful day, I promised myself I'd be productive today, I am not fasting though I long to return to it, to have some influence over my body's powerful tendency to get ever fatter.

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Post by Graham » Tue May 22, 2012 6:50 am

12st 7 3/4lb, 43 1/4", BMI 27.2, WHtR 64.1%, Body Fat 37.9% #

Nearly acclimatised here and it's time to go again....

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Post by Graham » Wed May 23, 2012 8:40 am

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Post by Graham » Thu May 24, 2012 8:24 am

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Post by Graham » Fri May 25, 2012 9:22 am

12st 7 1/2lbs, 42 3/4", BMI 27.1, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 36.8% #

Suddenly it's very hot. More than I enjoy. Here in London it is hotter and more humid than Southport. In this weather, I wish I was there. Extra choir rehearsals have kept me here this week.

I'm failing at No S pretty well all the time at the moment. Mostly conflicted over one-plating. Last night I ate off a really small plate, I knew I'd need 2 plates worth but I didn't want to get a big plate and pre-decide how much I'd eat. I'm just not willing to do that to myself at the moment, even if I am fat and getting fatter.

Now I notice that it is Friday and I've had milk and sugar in my tea- I appear not to be fasting. I'm singing more at the moment (@ 2 hours practice a day) and it does make me very peckish. I hope singing burns the extra calories!

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Post by Graham » Sat May 26, 2012 8:05 am

12st 7 1/2lbs, 42 1/2", BMI 27.1, WHtR, 63%, Body Fat 36.2% #

Failed again, (salad in a bowl, pork pie on a plate after I'd finished the salad), and I knew, and I felt ok about it. Odd figures: weight steady but waist rapidly diminishing - is it this punitively hot weather? Or all this singing? Hmmm.

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Post by Graham » Sun May 27, 2012 8:11 am

12st 9lb, 42 3/4", BMI 27.4, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 36.4%

What a difference a day makes.. Hot weather - did have quite a few biscuits at the allotment after no breakfast and an insubstantial lunch.

Carbs were over-represented, choices being limited. I did good things - great choir rehearsal, good work at the allotment - but not enough to compensate for the iffy eating apparently.

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Post by Graham » Mon May 28, 2012 8:02 am

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Post by Graham » Tue May 29, 2012 8:24 am

12st 5 1/2lbs, 42 3/8", BMI 26.8 WHtR 62.8%, Body Fat 36.4% #

That was a tough fast. Mentally ok, but low physical energy, tired eyes. The post fast meal could have been a No S success, but I didn't put it all on one plate: I ate my large 5-a-day meal and then decided I really did want some toasted crumpets after all, so I had them. Not sorry. Something in me feels pushed around by the rules, though I'm the one choosing to try to live by them.

I am happy to keep to "no snacks"* - though my lunch sometimes looks like a snack - an apple or banana, for example. No sweets - I am OK with that one too, except when I'm at my Dad's place, where he had monster tins of Cadbury's chocolates - I somehow feel duty bound to eat them, though I would never buy such things myself.

I am noticing I'm affected by what I see, just like the psychologists say, eating more if I see food than if I have to go and dig it out. I could help myself by making my kitchen tidy and pleasing to the eye, with a sense of occasion attached to my meal. Let's see if I can do what I say. Parts of me aren't on board with that, resistant, reluctant, feeling excluded. Hmm.

*No Snacks is a bit of a joke to me: if I'm ravenous I drink milk - with it's protein, fat and carbohydrate - but it's not a snack....

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Post by Graham » Wed May 30, 2012 8:24 am

12st 6 1/2lbs, 42 5/8", BMI 27, WHtR 63.1%, Body Fat 36.8% #

Tuesday night is: choir, then pub, if you want to socialise. Choir = half-time break with tea and biscuits. Singing can be quite demanding/calorie burning so the biscuits on offer with the tea lure me to No S failure.

I suppose I could just put more sugar in my tea? Compliant calories? It would seem like a cheat, and pure sugar is surely more health-hazardous than an equivalent dose of calories in any biscuit? Well, those are the rules....

Afterwards, the pub: the lager shandy is compliant, the crisps are not. Again, if I wasn't subverted by the whole choir thing, I'd eat a properly timed meal instead of this ramshackle nonsense. But there you go: and so, for those reasons perhaps, or maybe whatever I did, I'm 1lb heavier and 1/4" fatter than I was yesterday. Some rebound was perhaps inevitable.

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Post by Graham » Thu May 31, 2012 7:08 am

12st 5lb, 42 3/4", BMI 26.8, WHtR 63.3%, Body Fat 37.5% #

Another strange day. Finally seemed to be able to adhere to No S: good breakfast, an apple for lunch, no biscuits with my tea at dance class - then I became extraordinarily tired. I didn't snack, but wasn't at home, ate a meal I'd not have designed for myself and later found I wanted another meal at home, so that was 4 meals - or was the apple a snack?

Now weight is down, waist is up. I must have energy.

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Post by Graham » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:07 am

12st 7 1/2lb, 43" BMI 27.1, WHtR 63.7%, Body Fat 37.4% # Fasting

Strange ups and downs. Yesterday, finally, a No S success, and look at the numbers! I had no outdoor exercise, though I estimate I spent over 4 hours on singing practice! That kind of work doesn't burn the calories like a bike ride would.

I think I took the wrong bike to Southport. It's the one I'd use to ride tow-paths, and there aren't any tow-paths in Southport. My racing bike would be fine there, or at least it would have been, before the bottom bracket went loose and noisy.

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