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i'm sure the cake was good but it was nothing special - a nice storebought one but not really worth going to the trouble of taking home, freezing and eating later. if i want cake this weekend i'll just get it from a nice little bakery or something.

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i see what you're saying but sometimes putting in mods too early can cause more problems and more guilty feelings over messing up. so even though i know my Sdays have been kind of wild, i know they will sort themselves out and i know that if i want to i can have stuff, but "dont be an idiot" for me ...

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well lunch went just fine. despite a lot of desserts i just got one buffet plate and filled 1/2 the plate with salad and green beans. the other half i got sausage, a little red cabbage and about a tbsp of macaroni and cheese. i think i did pretty well, considering! the buffet looked good but i am no...

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So i just restarted beginning of February. And usually I weigh myself every 4 weeks. I'm kind of afraid I"ll see a gain after having Sdays and I don't want anything to set me back because I feel so much healthier mentally doing this. And I think Sdays will get less wild over time. So contemplating s...

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I know you can do it. It just takes time to retrain. i plan on doing NoS for a long time if it works for me. So far it is freeing my mind from all this diet thoughts and chatter. and that is what i need right now. i think it takes time to get used to the plan but you can do it! we all have weaknesse...

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yes the feeling on friday is so different. i woke up saturday morning at 6am and went and had a truffle first thing! now i know i wouldn't have done that normally, just the anticipation of the Sday... so maybe over time i will not be that antsy. i like the flower idea! at least something visually pl...

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know what you mean about sabotage. i know today is going to be challenging and i could just do whatever and get a fail but i really want to make the commitment and i know i can if i take each day at a time. i have "failed" so much on old diets that i'd like to just get these habits down even if it t...

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You are so right! When I visit others I usually just take three meals as presented to me! Its easy because there are no extra opportunities.

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Well if you read the intro part again, I think 4 meals a day is fine. I hope you can get back into the groove of it soon. Mentally I feel so much better!

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Today marks the beginning of my third Nday week... meaning if i get to friday i have made it through the trial period. So i really want to do that but i know doing each day at a time is very important! Today is Monday 2/18 and being the day after 2 very rich Sdays, I did pretty well with my appetite...

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nice work! you seem to be getting the hang of this pretty well.

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great job! both successes!

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what were your main issues when you did it before? just curious for i have my issues too. mainly right now just overdoing s days but i think in time i will learn!

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thanks everyone! well yesterday was an Sday and as always i find saturdays a bit wild. for some reason saturdays have seemed to be worse because i feel so ready for a treat, that i tend to go overboard. for instance, today is sunday and i've had pancakes, banana, protein bar for breakfast... pizza, ...

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Success today 2/15 - just need to make it to the morning, which i'm confident i can do!

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ok so what is the recipe! ?

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It's getting to be Friday afternoon and the song ... "Give me something good" is going through my head with regards to food! Tomorrow I can have all I want. The glorious feeling of an Sday tomorrow. Tonight is my daughter's dance class so I plan on feeding her early and then going to her class with ...

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what is this website with the dessert/protein powder recipes? did i miss a link to it? that sounds interesting. yes i agree that there are many ways to do something. to each, their own, right... for me i tried a window of seven hours and it made it worse! so i do 7am, 11:30 am, 5pm... that works won...

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would love to read your list oolala53.. i have my reasons too. but i will make an effort to write them down and reread them! the main one is i hate feeling overfull and all the stomach problems that go with it. i love feeling satisfied and not a lot of trouble or rumblings. i also love having a flat...

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i love this idea of thinking of it as extinction, not "self sabotage"... the habit wants to come back of snacking, sweets, seconds, i just have to be strong enough during Ndays to not let it happen. if it does happen, it's not "self sabotage" it's just that the previous habits i have done for most o...

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sounds great!

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we all have our something. for me it's chocolate. and it's too hard to not have it in my house. my husband and daughter love it and with valentine's day and easter i don't think it's getting any easier. the nice thing is i can have it, just on Sdays. So i keep saying this to myself! we can get past ...

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I feel like i'm in your same situation, Jonas. I also had a false start back in June/July 2012. I wanted to do it but I gave up quickly because I couldn't get Sdays under control and I had so many failures on the Ndays that I gave up. I'm much more ready to do this now and I realize weight maintenan...

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When I went to Belgium I remember being pleasantly surprised that everythign was in French and Flemish. I could actually somewhat understand the Flemish due to having some German language classes throughout high school.

Anyway, I digress. Glad to hear you had a green day!

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Yesterday 2-14 Success Actually didn't have too hard a time yesterday, despite thinking I would due to valentine's day. Having that all day training really helped get my mind off of food. I guess I did go to starbucks after work but just got a black decaf with minimal cream and sweetener so i don't ...

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for me the idea of failure is worse. i give up when it happens. even if i know i wasn't successful it's easier for me to understand that it wasn't a 10 level day and work towards improvement. a "failure" seems like black or white thinking and then i end up way overdoing it. i think everyone is diffe...

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good to know! so i guess it's not as long as i thought.

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totally agree. have felt so great not calorie counting or obsessing about foods this past few weeks. i am loving this!

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I am a binge eater too so I really understand what you're going through. Stress really got to me late January and it was pretty substantial. That was when I started to recommit to NoS again. The most important thing I have discovered is to not beat yourself up. When I start feeling bad and beating m...

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been thinking a lot about AA and people in recovery from chemical dependency. you know how they say that they dont' like to count their "days clean" sometimes because it makes them mess up. has anyone heard of this line of thinking? it's like self sabotage. well that makes me think about counting to...

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training all day today so i'm hoping that will make it easier... sometimes it doesn't though. we have to wait until 12noon to eat! i hope i can do that successfully! i can, i know... i'm usually a 7am breakfast, 11-11:30 lunch kind of gal though... so tonight is valentine's day. i considered making ...

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i think this book is great if you are naturally thin! you probably already think/eat like this. however i have found that those of us who struggle with eating proper amounts of food, this line of thinking doesn't always work. it would be great if we could think like that, but then, we'd probably alr...

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we sound similar with the after dinner thing! what runs through your head that makes you snack and what have been helpful in dealing with it. yesterday i had the same thing. wanted to eat something really badly but i wasn't hungry so i just had some beverages.

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i'm hesitant but i will try. i'm not going to list out the days because whenever i do that i tend to not make it. i've made it a few days so far but when i reach 21 will let you know!

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is it 5 weeks or 3 weeks we are going for... i'm always confused about that!

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I am a bit of a perfectionist - the red marks on the calendar set me up for ditching the whole thing. I have adopted this mod, which as worked well: I can change a red to a green if I have 5 consecutive greens on the calendar (OK if the greens "bookend" the weekend - but do not count yellows toward...

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yes i don't have many No S plan weekends behind me either. so like i said, trying to not change it too much, maybe just pay attention to not being ridiculously full and just enjoying things instead of having the frantic feeling. Maybe if i can just focus on enjoying my treats instead of just crammin...

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Also wanted to share this quote with you for inspiration! "If you run, you are a runner. It doesn't matter how fast or how far. It doesn't matter if today is your first day or if you've been running for 20 years. There is no test to pass, no license to earn, no membership card to get. You just run."...

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maybe i can give that a go on saturday and sunday. i felt a little out of control and didn't like it. maybe just sticking witht he basic structure with the idea that if i want to i can have something extra may be more beneficial to me.

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ugh, there is nothing worse than someone having to point out what you're not enjoying/having! especially when they do it in a condescending way. i have the type of mother in law who asks me what i am eating and then basis her decisions off of that. she is a dieting type, always so concerned with wha...

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i hope it continues to work! winter is kind of my "off season" because i can only do the treadmill in ohio in with winter! but hoping when it gets to be march soon i'll get outside more and maybe increase my runs to 2-3x a week. we will see!

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since i started this on 2/3 i have been having some random thoughts going around in my head... i was thinking of the Sdays like intuitive eating days. then i was reading a post about how IE can trick you sometimes like saying "i want chocolate" constantly all day. so i thought, maybe not. then i saw...

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glad to see you back! it's easy to give up when we have fails but looks like you're back in the game!

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the not feeling in control thing is what always causes self sabotage for me when i do a diet. that inner voice wants to rebel "why can't i have this? i'm going to have it"... i think my whole life i've wanted to be in control. i like how we just have to practice moderation during the week and know t...

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i'm actually doing NoS as a part of Lent, kind of. It's been nice because if anyone asks me at work i can just use lent as an excuse. of course when i continue past lent i'll have to have some other things to say! but anyway i think if you want to give up more you can. just maybe trying and making i...

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I like how you are able to get yourself back on track. that is a hard one for many (myself included) as soon as you do one thing it is ok to go back to plan! doesn't mean it's a fail the rest of the day so might as well do more damage.

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i would encourage anyone to make their meals somethign they actually want to eat just for the reasons you are talkign about. if something is kind of mediocre, the inner child is goign to want more. this week i have been trying to make for myself very satisfying meals that i enjoy. but i know it's ha...

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I ended up with a Success for 2/12. But it was down to the wire. I finally got off my butt and did my weightlifting. But I was thinking about that little voice some more, and how she wants me to just eat this other things, and sometimes i do, other times i don't. i like the idea of making the promis...

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so glad you changed your mind! yes i know what you mean about depression meds causing weight gain. effexor did that to me! i have been off of it for a while (vitamin d supplements work just as well for me it turns out). but anyway, glad to hear it is still working despite weight gain!

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yep i resurrected it because i found something interesting about it and i wanted to say that eating disorders are all too common, the key is making it not be about thinking about food every minute of every day! I'm hoping that over time NoS will be so much easier for me when i get the structure down.

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really funny how you can think you're going to do fine and then that inner voice "oh just have this other thing... " pops into your head . i ended up doing fine today, just got to make it the rest of the day, do my exercise, etc. but it's funny how you can have all the intentions right but be so clo...

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I'm right there with you. As soon as I start to think about it, I get worried. It's best to try not to count calories. But if in your head you still know the calorie count of stuff, try and minimize it (mentally) the best you can! something like "well i know this is approximately x calories but it's...

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especially when you fail repeatedly... what do you do to keep yourself going back to NoS? Just wondering... because i expect this will come up for me. Last time I got so frustrated I quit after only 1.5 months. But I was curious for those of you who have done this for a long time, what is the most m...

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I have an eating disorder. IMHO, eating disorders are like alcoholism. One is always recovering. So I can't ever say I was bulemic, or I'm an ex -bulemic. Some folks might think this is slapping some unecessary guilt or label on myself. Not at all. It's a guard against hubris, and an acknowledgemen...

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MJ, you're so right! I've found if I practice the NoS principles and suggestions, the socalled "diethead" mentality and our distorted thought life from our dieting history disappears more and more, almost automatically. But I need to be diligent, especially in the beginning, while regular eating ha...

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i used my smartphone too. i'd say for now don't worry about your pace. mine improved only with time. when i first started running my pace was a lot slower. over time (6-9 months) i saw it improve dramatically. now i'm going for distance so i'm ok with my pace being a little slower. i would recommend...

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Your system makes a lot of sense, MJ, but I am scared of not being strict enough and then my sneaky mind taking advantage of the situation to skate around it and justify all kinds of rule breaking! I have to work hard to out-fox my food-obsessed alter ego - LOL! NoBS: I love the thought of a "right...

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Pretend you live in a country that loves to admire and savor food, but hates the idea of overdoing it. It's just not done. Revel, yes. Gorge, no. Love this idea! Exactly what I need to do! I've been trying to do it but my first Sdays usually lead to a free for all. gotta stop it from being like tha...

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maybe the first step is to do NoS just the way it was written for a while... meaning months! then once you feel like "diethead" has gone away maybe you could look at portions again or maybe change stuff up. but the important thing i think is to get rid of diet mentality first before starting anythin...

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overeating does cause GI distress for me. it is one of the reasons i have to be really careful on Sdays. If i overeat i tend to feel really awful. so that is incentive to be choosy of Sday treats, make sure it's somethign i really want to eat!

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okay, I have converted you units of measurement 5'4"" seems to be about 1.62 and I seem to be about 5'9" in your world (so, technically speaking you are a dwarf :wink: or I am a Germanic giant) this puts the 120 into perspective I like your mantras about your S-days. My S-days are by no means perfe...

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i can relate to how you are feeling. one taste does seem to start a binge for me too. so far i'm doing ok on the Ndays but I can see how a slip up could lead to that. What I am trying to do is a system 1-10 for how bad i messed up. 10 is perfect 1 is out of control overeating to the point of sicknes...

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what set me back was tweaking too much. I gave up last time on NoS after about 1.5 months because I was impatient and didn't give it a chance to work. This time I hope to make it at least 6 months. I think in time the bad habits will work their way out.

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some of the 5 lb can be attributed to water weight, so don't panic! usually for me if i have a bad week i'm up a lot but then if i reign it in i can go back down in a few weeks.

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Nice week! sounds like you are doing well with eating smaller meals. i get so hungry in between. did you slowly decrease your meals or how did you do it?

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yes you coudl take it and save if for Sday maybe? that's what I plan on doing if anyone gets pushy.

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Thank god for lent! at least i can blame something for my not eating of cake throughout the week!

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Amy you can do it! try and use the scaling method if it helps you. I have an example on my daily check in thread. basically unless you completely failed and overate the the point of sickness you get a 1 but it goes 1-10. most days just having a dessert or extra snack puts you about a "5"... that way...

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2-11 success! Level 10 - really wasn't even too hungry today as is the case usually on Monday as I have so much from Sunday and Saturday. Also ran 4.3 today. Working up to 5 miles by April and 6.25 or 10k by June. I think this weekend will be a lot of fun. Planning on valentines day Saturday which w...

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Sometimes is the key word. Sometimes on days that start with s. It is not a free for all 2 days. But if it ends up being a free for all, there's nothing wrong with that. It still fits within the No S rules. And even if it doesn't fit within someone's interpretation of the rules, it's still miles an...

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I like what both of you have to say and i wanted to add from my own experience. i was definitely suffering from "diethead" for about a year. I was on a calorie counting website "happily" or what i thought was happily (i was deluding myself) counting calories and I did in fact lose weight. But the pr...

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oh i know i wont' ever get to 120! i just want to be in the "120s" I was there before (123-128) from Feb 2012-June 2012 before binging got the best of me. So I know I can do it again! I am pretty short, 5'4" and have a small frame. my wrists are only 5 1/2 inches! :) when i was 150 and barely into '...

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so what is interesting is i think over time i will start to think whether something is "s worthy" meaning "do i really want this?"... what was nice about today was i reflected a little bit (even though I ate a lot) about whether i really wanted to eat the item or not. so happy i have 1 week under my...

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i just started out too. i have 1 week under my belt. i'm doing the best i can 1 day at a time and that's all i can tell you. last time i gave up too quickly but i think i can make it work this time. my plan is sticking to my 3 meals, making them healthy and satisfying. on s days i will just do whate...

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sunday was a pretty heavy eating day. had to stop eating around 8pm for a blood draw tomorrow and i definitely had a good share of my favorite foods in today. good thing i stopped too because pretty full right now! definitely the higher end of full. but that's ok. sday and no rules! but somehow i fe...

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Great job with the green on Friday.

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Nice job! My first week back to this plan and doing great!

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I am so proud of us for our willpower this week. I had an all green week too and it felt awesome! I hope to do it next week but got to take it one day at a time.

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Friday was a success - level 10. Felt very tempted to finish my leftovers after dinner but b didn't. Onto today. Weigh in at 131.6. Not bad. Would like to lose a few more pounds as I consider 120-128 maintenance. Weighing monthly now, well every 4 weeks. Hoping to not go up over the next 4 weeks, bu...

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sounds like you know what triggers you. maybe try and just focus on what triggers you and try and think about other things you can do while experiencing those triggers? that is what I'm working on right now. i haven't made it 21 days yet but i know i can. i have to just focus really hard monday thro...

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I am going to make this day a success. in a little bit i will go to bed with 5 straight green days. no matter how crazy my Sday is tomorrow, it doesn't matter because it's an Sday. If I make it a week through this I know I can do this for a lifetime... Even if i mess up here and there i have the mot...

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through doing the calorie counting thing for years now (WOW!!) i have come to discover what approximately is 100 calories, 500, etc. I've gotten to the point where I know approximately how much I'm eating. I still methodically count in my head... so i know for instance i had about 300 for breakfast ...

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congrats on your loss! that is amazing!

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oh i am trying so hard... really want to get something good for dinner tonight. think i'm going to try to go to a fast food place like maybe subway or something that has moderate food choices. i have to do some thinking about this. it would give me a lot of confidence if i could make it to saturday ...

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I have maintained within 10 lb for a year but during that year I have had a lot of out of control binging which i think was brought on by calorie counting and the nervousness of being over calories for the day. the feeling that i couldn't enjoy something because it didn't fit in my calories or macro...

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yes i think it is just that about the "oh you should snack or you'll slow down your metabolism" garbage. that line of thinking always made me overdo it during "snacktime" to the point that i wasn't even hungry for my meal.

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hope your friday is great!

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OK got my exercise in! So pleased. Green tea and then bed. Not hungry either. Winning! And not in the Charlie sheen way.

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I like those reminders! Will be writing them down. :-) 4.2 miles takes me 46 minutes on the treadmill. My outside best time for 4 was 37:49. So I have worked up from about an hour to do 4 miles. Don't worry so much about how long it takes you, just focus on personal improvement. Right now I am train...

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i think do what meets your needs right now. my dinner has been rather large lately and i'm ok with that as long as i am not having hunger growling in my stomach at night. do what fits and feels right.

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you can do this! we all have slip ups now and then. the important thing is getting up, dusting yourself off and going back to try again.

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good luck! sounds like you found this can really work for you long term. i am hoping to really give this a good try and see where it goes for me too.

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Today has been good so far. Except now I am really struggling to get to my exercise for the evening. I know I'll do it, just having a lazy moment. Today I would say was a level 10 success. still had 2 coffee beverages and 1 tea... more than i would have liked, but it definitely beat snacking! Really...

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well if it's a beverage and pretty low in sugar i think that's fine. i drink almond milk occasionally between meals. it is pretty low calorie too. what brand of kefir do you like? been thinking about getting some as i've heard good things about it.

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i have been thinking, maybe those who are constantly on "diets" think that you have to be depriving yourself of something or it just can't work. I have been guilty of this thinking myself. The first time I tried NoS, my S days were pretty wild and crazy. I gave up because I thought there was no way ...

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Success level 10 today!

Few beverages, nothing heavy or over sugared.
Small breakfast, large lunch and dinner, no snacks!
Circuit training workout, but not over strenuous after yesterday's run.

2 more days. Would love to make it all week green

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I, on occassion, will have a regular can (can only) of Coke on an N Day, or a glass of chocolate milk. But taht is an exception I give mysylf. They aren't daily habits, and I figure a glass of chocolate milk while watching RAW is better than a bag of M&Ms. totally agree! if it keeps you from snacki...

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I guess this is just one of those gray areas. I do agree about soda though. Diet soda, if i was desperate i would have one but i generally try to stay away from it because of the carbonation bothering my stomach. i think it could be ok as long as not overdone. and i think if a diet soda is replacing...

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So I told some people about NoS and some didn't like the idea at all. One person said "I would stay with the plan [meaning Ndays only] 7 days a week and not indulge on the weekends. Weekend indulgence sounds alarming to me, a recipe for disaster. If you must snack on weekends make sure it is only ve...

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sounds like running is going well! i started c25k back in june 2012 and how amazing it is to run 4.2 miles now! you can keep building on your successes

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