Everyday Systems

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Sometimes I wonder if a hypnotist could wipe out the memory of every having been concerned with my eating and weight. Of course, I'm at an age where that could happen within a few years- but I could lose a lot of other memories, too. Hmm.

Anyway, happy eating this May.

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Thanks for wishing me well. I'm confident I'll feel a lot better tomorrow. I'm slightly enjoying having the excuse to loll.

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Been sick and just browsing around. Oh, yeah, we like to think things will be the same no matter what's on the plate, but I've come to really doubt that. It MIGHT be possible, but risky. I'm doing a rather strict mod, but things had gotten out of hand and moderation of certain foods just kept provin...

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How is it going?

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I lost all my weight after menopause. Much heavier start, but same height. I stabilizeded at 145-ish for a few years. I modded for other reasons and am mostly below 140, but I don't think Vanilla could have gotten me or keep me here. I mod for reasons other than weight loss. I find it too stressful ...

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TX! Better to think of it as a hobby (like Brightangel) than a part time job, which is how I used to feel about dieting. It actually didn't have to be, but I made it that way. Came down with a cold. My eyeballs felt like they were boiling in my head last night, but the fever broke overnight and toda...

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I'm proably the one you read the quote from, and I got it from very old OA materials. I can't claim these days any other influences from No S, but wanted to say that I was glad to be reminded about noticing nature's signs on walks. I don''t wear ear buds or listen to anything, but I can get very cau...

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Did I miss the post I thought I put up about how envious I am of your body fat content? Not that you need any comments on body stuff. I just want to affirm that you have accomplished a lot. I'm pretty sure my body fat wasn't that low even when I was a teen (though not a slim one, at the high end of ...

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Come back! Compliant or not.

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Is not news good news, no more yoyoing? It's been awhile since you posted. Or maybe you have a check -in thread. ..

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Kudos!

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Some day I'm going to scroll through this thread and see how many times people say things changed when they stopped using weight loss as the major success criterion. Good luck on the new incarnation!

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I probably posted this before, an excerpt from a post of Simmstone's thread about food addiction behaviors, but I'm repeating it because in all honesty, I've been "using" food egregiously recently, and I need to remind myself. - Gorging on more food than one can physically tolerate - Eating to the p...

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I read through to catch up after hearing from you on the general board. Sounds good! I'm feeling May is going to be a good month for me, too. I've been slip siding (worse, really) all over the place and I think/hope I'm tired of it enough. (Though I have thought I was in the past, and then... :evil:...

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Thank you! I was OOT and hit the ground running when I returned, so just saw this. (And we don't get email alerts when new posts are made on certain threads.

) That little list partway through is what I was talking about.

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After many years, a guiding principle is NOT to look for excuses for special days, meaning the S element of the day should be very important if I'm going to declare it NWS. It's often possible to celebrate even without S's, though for us sweet lovers, more challenging, but I've found that is mostly ...

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Think of the first couple of months as the training wheel time. Give yourself more than the 21 days people often think is enough. Even if it takes longer, what's the alternative?

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Oooo, Chanda, the lure of low carb! I have looked with envy at times because of some people's claims of feeling very blasé about food from it. But long term success is the exception.

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Welcome back and best wishes for your continued journey. I have said at times that I fell off the wagon and rolled down the gully beside the road but your metaphor is more entertaining! Poor horse.

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IMHO, health conditions are good reasons for diets, or food restrictions. No S is not meant to treat health conditions, though some may use it that way. Tradtional eating patterns often prevented problems developing, but there is no data to prove that they cure them, though I'm sure it happens. I've...

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I don't remember exactly where it was- on a general thread or an individual check in- but somewhere a member, a guy, listed behaviors characteristic of having a food addiction. He realized that these described some of his behaviors, and they were things his girlfriend never did. He decided that to n...

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I actually posted this without the shave add back in February. Reminds me of the meme that shows a woman taking a selfie of her thin body and saying that she went low carb or Paleo or something, lost 20 lbs. and all her friends.

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Welcome as well.Going the workweek without sweets was pivotal for me, one whose compulsive overeating was mostly sweets, daily for decades, with short bouts of exception. Still overdid them on S days for a long time-even now, sometimes- but still kept going, adjusting. That's what nearly all longter...

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Doing my quarterly "tuneup," I'll call it. Takes 5 days. Usually, it's relatively easy until day 4. It actually started a little hard! I had had a big dinner the night before, and paradoxically got hungry way earlier than normal. Today, it was so hard midday that I wondered if I was going to be able...

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I'm in awe, too. Not sure when I'll get going on my social circle efforts. but I'll be thinking of you.

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Happy wedding anniversary, happy birthday and happy set point!

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When I have had one, I savored it. LOOOVE that creaminess. It's what used to get me eating nearly half a gallon of slighlty melting ice cream at a time. I find I still want the nearly half a gallon...

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Given your previous attempts and experience, these sound like wise mods. Are they working out, keeping you moderate while allowing for pleasure?

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Calorie discussion alert! Saturday I went to an common event where there are snacky foods I like to have while socializing. I brought some corn chips that I had tasted at Trader Joe's. First time I ever bought anything I sampled there. I was forgoing all the sweet flour-y stuff, so I also went in fo...

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I realized I had not reported on my March experiment not eating wheat or sugar. I did it because I still feel so drawn by those foods, drawn into overdoing them. I don’t necessarily eat more than a moderate amount at a time, but I always WANT more. I still fantasize about overdoing them. I was going...

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I’ve said this so many places, but I gave up baking a few years ago. I was just not up to the battle. To this day, I can still get a rush in my body thinking about eating chocolate chip cookie dough batter. I had to accept that I was always fooling myself when I told myself I’d be reasonable. I’m so...

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Have I asked about this group of people you know who work at each other’s houses? What kinds of things do you do? I love this idea. I’ve done a little bit of helping a friend who was putting her house on the market. She offered to take me out to dinner, but I said no, I’d rather have us trade helpin...

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I’ve been out of your loop for a bit, so I just browsed through. I actually had that book about how to talk to teens, but I ended up never reading it, and I think I’ve moved it to the giveaway pile since I retired. I have to admit I sometimes go through some real guilt and remorse over how I handled...

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Hello, Sharon! Browsing around and saying hi. Just noting that our bodies sure seem to have their own ideas about how much to weigh and how much of it is fat. It can do all kinds of things to thwart our efforts. But in our food rich culture, being willy nilly about it is not going to lead to any kin...

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A woman on another site that I frequent will do something as simple as light as little candle that she wouldn’t normally light as a reward for some behavior she’s kept too. She also used to give her self five or 10 minutes to pop bubble wrap! These were think she could just do, if she wanted, but fo...

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It turns out that dance class didn’t happen, but I went last Friday. Not an ecstatic experience like it used to be, but good enough. I got my yearly body fat test done. It was a bit sobering. Last year, my body fat was the lowest it had been in 20 years. This year it’s back up to the highest, and I ...

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I hope it’s going well. Enjoy everything you do eat.

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Do you think your gains were consistent and gradual? Mine never were, but I was a compulsive overeater, usually eating a lot in a short period of time. I gained larger amounts and then stabilized. I would gain and then stabilize at the higher weight. The losses were similar, though in less dramatic ...

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I have missed a lot! Finally jumping to the end to say hi. I hope very much for you that you can soon find a reasonable routine to just stick with for a few months. I have to admit reading about drinking oil and clipping noses and such started to make my stomach flip. I also have to admit that I'm s...

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I went on a small trip over the weekend and got a little sick, so I've been kind of out of it. Also really missing that I don't get any email alerts about new posts on threads I use/follow. Thanks, ladies! SA, I suspected that much shorter cooking times for rice were key. I'm on a starch-to-cook buy...

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And if I may say, savoring savory foods more and keeping sweet ones more celebratory. Sure, if you had been raised in a culture that was reasonable about sweets, things might be different. But I think most of us are over-attuned to sweets. Patterning ourselves on the exceptions (e.g., your daughter)...

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It can be hard to face just how little we actually need. But a life of eating only exactly what we need can be hard to face. It seems there are only two overall approaches these days: less food or fewer hours eating. Or both.

Are you still living in the Inland Empire?

I'm betting on you.

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Bravo on not devolving into WTH! I think it's a boon that you are willing to see your part in this, while at the same time hold compassion. I gently suggest you do anything you can to "codify" your meals in building blocks and keep the blocks around for easier meal assembly. You know you are going t...

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If I may add, having plenty of cooked and raw veggies at most of my lunches and dinners seemed important to me because it gave me a chance to do lots of chewing without eating too much dense food. On the rare occasion I would try something like low carb (and I had also been lowering my meat intake, ...

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I have chewed most of my food more than 35x since way before No S, unless I am having a slip. I think it adds to the satisfaction of the meal experience, and helps to be happier with less food, but I don't think it ever led to weight loss on its own. I wish you could find something that seemed doabl...

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I may be late for this, but I also give you permission to shift your attention away from weight loss. (I always have.) But I doubt my permission will do it for you. I think you're right about the pressure from the fb group, unlucky though that is. Heck, it's a pressure just living in white female cu...

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Just to check in. I've been doing something different this March and have pretty much kept to it. I can't say it feels like it's gotten easy or pleasant. But it's interesting how doing it as an experiment just for March has helped me stick to it. I keep thinking, well, I can't find out if it will he...

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Lordy. Would it have not been a wrongful death if he had been eating normally but for some other reason have been feeling lightheaded? But I have to admit I'm glad it was Whole30 and not us as part of the mix.

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Just browsing. A couple of posts up made me think of a comment made at a cooking class I went to a couple of weeks ago. The host said it seems most cultures don't have a lot of variety in their eating, except ours.They don't feel the need to experiment as much. I guess that's part of our melting pot...

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Sounds like a win, though it can be risky to depend on not feeling urges. But feeling like a lot of the day is a struggle is no fun, either. I envy people who say they don't crave anymore, but I don't count on being one of them. I'm sure there are some things in life I find easy that they find hard,...

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HI again! Yeah, things look different. It was to help cut down on the SPAM< but now there are some features that don't work, I don't know when people I used to follow post. In fact, I get NO emails from the Reinhard address anymore. I thought I'd never want to to have a lighter dinner but I find now...

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Kudos on your walking! And a green week.

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Since I'm not talking about using tracking to lose weight, but to see if it would help with other unpleasantries, you'd think I'd be more motivated. You can see how successful I've been with it since I whined! I don't care what the research says, when you are a person who can have 10 different thing...

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Wow, that was easy! And kudos for the previous six months.

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I think my favorite was "I'm fasting from having friends."

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Classic "punishment:" something unpleasant that makes you want to stop a behavior. Sounds like you think donuts weren't worth it.

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Wanted to document that I had a combo hot cereal made with tortilla flour and coconut flour, green beans, apple and doctored coffee for late breakfast and felt none of the uncomfortable fullness. This is why I sometimes think it would be good to keep track of what I eat. But maybe it would have been...

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To remind anyone why people leave and come back.

https://www.facebook.com/treynkennedy/v ... 672645306/

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I think I'll post this on the Why did you leave? Why are you back? thread, too.

https://www.facebook.com/treynkennedy/v ... 672645306/

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There's no real rule on this, although Reinhard does recommend trying squeezing your own at least once just to see how much fruit you go through. He doesn't discuss the topic of satiety, but most liquids for most people do not deliver satiety along with their calories, except for milk. I humbly reco...

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It depends on what you want. No S cannot defy the laws of physics. If you are a small person and fill large plates with dense heavy food, it’s unlikely you’ll lose. I tend to have only one big meal a day. The others are pretty small And sometimes on weekends, I have only two or sometimes even just o...

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I can’t claim I can always easily go six hours, but I know I am usually going to be fine. I think what is also interesting is that people are convinced they must pig out and inhale their food if they do get very hungry. True, it does seem natural but so is taking advantage of ava food. We learn to o...

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Sorry about your friend I had a colleague younger than I was dying over the summer one year. It was very sobering. Is that 21.5 under your weight your body fat? The media and athletic models can make it seem like we need to be a lot lower but that’s a very good body percentage for a woman. I’m in my...

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Saying hi and welcome. That may seem belated to you, but honestly, with your having started only on February 3, it’s not really a very long time. I gently tell you that you may vary a lot in your weight over a period of months. There may be some people who continually lose down to a certain point an...

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I guess you mean you don’t think of yourself as experimenting but as having accepted No S pretty much as the WOE for you. ( when I hear someone say they’re ending an experiment, I usually assume they mean it hasn’t worked, so they’re leaving it behind. ) I totally get wanting to feel like you want l...

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I don't think I've been getting email alerts for new comments added to threads I've been following. I'm pretty sure this has been since the new version of the board. Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe it's just a temporary thing. I hope so. I did get a few and had to scroll to the bottom of the pag...

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Thompson admits that she got the guidelines directly from OA, but she also goes way beyond in using the science for motivation.

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I've read a fair amount of Longo's work and I'd be curious where he says it's okay to be obese, though I will say that he talks a lot more about modified fasting and the quality of the diet than about being thin. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he didn't think people do NOT need to be thin. He's...

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I think the people that No S makes this kind of release for don't spend much time here, so you may not hear from them. That doesn''t mean that the ones who are here are necessarily obsessed. It just means you might not be getting the whole picture. Still, this doesn't sound like as hopeful a discuss...

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I wanted to clarify something I wrote a while back. The NWS days are optional. They’re just safety nets of some big event is in the offing where food is a major issue. Not just about looking for an excuse. The weekends can usually accommodate the SOMETIMES S eating.

This is the aspiration!

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I saw you posted on someone else's thread. Wanted to say Hi! here.

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Plain foods lower the setpoint, as you say. The intense flavors of modern manufactured foods are associated with high calories but low satiety because the body sees them as easy calories (they are such concentrated versions of calorific foods that had those flavors) which it likes and will strive to...

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Ooooo, a new outfit!

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Variety also increases nutrient intake. I think it's a good idea to have building blocks, such as starches, proteins (I eat a lot less flesh these days), fats and freggies, depending on the meal, and to try to find variation in the blocks. And to ease yourself into this if necessary so that you don'...

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Welcome! Keep all those motivations in mind. Many Olympic athletes, top notch musicians, artists, etc. have a built-in foresight (yes, it's an aptitude). Most of us mere mortals need to actively choose to remember why we're doing something tough until the payoffs help to make it more obvious. More v...

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I can't recall you ever doing that before at any event where food is offered for free. :-) I'm so busted! But it's not ALL about being free, honestly, because most of the events cost money or a donation. It's eating in the presence of others, partly for honesty and partly because I eat alone so muc...

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Do your best to let it all go. Have some delicious meals this weekend and try to be a little nonchalant about S's. How much more can you ask of yourself? You'll get back to it Monday.

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Sure! But you can regard yourself as starting this weekend.

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Ugh, somehow pain near the brain seems harder to take. Glad the worst is over.

Just do your best with moderation. Maybe having a heightened sense of taste and smell can allow you to really savor what you have and eat less? I guess I'm being a Pollyanna. Do people still know what that means?

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My mother was from a small city outside Boston, so you can tell who we had to root for. Funny how those things hang on. And speaking of, her birthday was the first, too. She would have been 102 years old today. She nearly made it to 90. Happy birthday to your daughter! And good luck with your improv...

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Well, tracking sure went out the window fast. I like to be able to just pick a mouthful of this or that these days and was that ever a drag. Plus I was overeating and pride got me. I don't see it going the other way at this point, i.e. pride regarding not wanting to post overages stopping the eating...

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You are a gem to keep this going at all! A few hours without access is a very small price to pay. I wish there was an easy way to donate. Thank you!

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You know I agree with that, Linda. We can't know what it's going to take to get the body to normal. Well, we kind of do, but that can be asking a lot of some people. If we eat so that we feel we get to enjoy at least a pleasant minimum and feel pretty vital, I'm not sure we can ask ourselves for mor...

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I wish there was a way to kick in for his costs. Iâ€™ve thought several times of copying everything to a Word doc , or creating the Word doc first and transferring it. Here and on Sparkpeople. But I have thousands of posts! I would hate to lose it all.

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I don't think there is anything official in the book, though Reinhard has stated that he thinks having ideal habits is much preferred over aiming for an ideal weight. He has also stated that he thinks weight is not a very good metric for measuring a habit. That said, I did weigh daily and average we...

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S is for sweets, not sugar in general. Whole fresh fruit is not a sweet. Many people have jam on toast or some sugar in coffee. I say if it makes you want more and more of it, don't use it. If not, a smear of jam is fine. The same number of raisins as you would have grapes is fine. Etc. At the same ...

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I have been bumbling in my program (after 8.5 years of mostly ease) and still working things out but I am going to answer as if I am in my strong compliance. I'm probably the only one who thinks this way, but S days are S days whether I have an S or not. Remember the SOMETIMES part of the rules. So ...

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Dance does not please me as consistently as it used to. The classes don't occur at very opportune times either. I did go to a three-hour class a few weeks ago; it was a special birthday celebration for one of the drummers. But I didn't find myself wishing I went more often. I didn't realize how much...

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Alas, I wish I thought that would be a remedy. I do have days where I walk miles and miles and it doesn't make a dent. I used to work out more consistently and it never helped sleep, either. I guess I'm an anomaly. Maybe if I did it for months and built some muscle, but I guess I'm not very good at ...

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What most people can't do is reduce their eating in any way, shape, or form. They THINK they're going to be able to follow a directed diet, or cut this or that, but most of them never do for any length time. Just do your thing. Later they may become curious again. Then you can tell them more and for...

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I like to say that the pleasure has to be there before, during, and after eating. This helps in realizing that we might want to eat a lot more of food because it tastes good, but that will not lead to pleasure later. I think the guilt over delicious food is that we know we often kept eating it just ...

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I think your musings are right in line with what I was suggesting. Proponents of harm reduction therapy, which is much more successful overall than "let's start from abstinence" therapy, say that getting over the sense that users need to have the substance for pleasure or relief is the biggest hurdl...

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So good to hear! I am fond of saying on another site I'm on where there is so much attention to minutiae that it really doesn't take all day to plan a few reasonable meals and get some movement in. That's the best place to start. You can't know you'll need more unless you just do that and find out! ...

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I gently recommend that you continue for awhile doing what you do but also pay attention to the patterns that there probably are in the makeup of your meals. Then eventually move into just making sure the meal content ratio is similar most days without actually counting. Realize that this has become...

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It's funny, after years of my preserving the chance to have a full dinner at the dinner hour, I'm finding I can often eat lighter and earlier than I thought. BUT I have not committed to this routine, and am looking at finding a way to allow for larger dinner when I eat with others. A piece of fruit ...

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A reasonable outlook.

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No eating routine that doesn't supply enough pleasure for the payoff is going to last. Which is not to say we can't sometimes find pleasure in something that we didn't think we could, but we have to find it out.

I hope this go brings what you want.

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1st meal 10:30: about 3/4 cup leftover pad thai (the last of it) \; a bite of leftover spaghetti, half an 8-inch banana,23 grams of peanut butter. Optimized coffee. 3 bites of pear. Almost no hunger before. Not really full after. Never did finish the cup of coffee though I had some sips partway thro...

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Hugs back, Dahlia. Dinner: 2/3 of an order of Buffalo Cauliflower, a handful of French fries from shared order, spread out over an hour or more. A few bites of pear when I came home. Honestly, I could have skipped dinner from a hunger POV, but I wanted the pleasure of eating. Now I'm not stuffed, bu...

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You'd think having to keep coming back to log my nibbling would stop me from nibbling, but so far, no.

Nibble: Handful of tortilla chips that came with the burrito and that I left sitting out. I wouldn't have thought about them if I hadn't seen them. I threw the last few away.

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